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Old 06-06-2011, 09:20 PM   #1121
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I trust that this request is being sent some additional way to the delegates, since very few frequent this forum.

Will the bylaws be available on the WBCCI site for review for those members who do not attend the international?

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The long awaited Bylaws in a rough draft form will be availible at the International.

We ask that all delegates bring ALL proposed Revision amendments with them for the Revision Committee to review and debate at the delegates seminar.

This will allow the members to study the entire set of Bylaws long before next years vote.



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Old 06-07-2011, 05:41 AM   #1122
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I am a delegate and UP. All I have received is an e-mail from Norm Beu, forwarded by my Region President. It indicates we will discuss this in the Seminar but doesn't indicate what we should do with proposed changes.

I will arrive with my changes on Monday afternoon 6/27. HQ did not want them in advance. I am open to any meetings or discussion sessions, formal or informal.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:40 AM   #1123
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"We ask that all delegates bring ALL proposed Revision amendments with them for the Revision Committee to review and debate at the delegates seminar."


"This will allow the members to study the entire set of Bylaws long before next years vote."


PLEASE, Please, please tell me we are not going to have to live through this stuff for another 13 months?

What about the Lawsuit?

I thought if Norm B. didn't make the changes the Lawsuit was back on? Is this not the case?

Norm B. folded (as many knew he would) I would think DW would be talking to the lawfirms ASAP.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:52 AM   #1124
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Paul how can you be talking about promoting a law suit when you declined to support with your pledge on the first go around as did Leo.

Ok, Paul tell us what you're going to sue them for?

Judge, the IP tabled the motion because too many units wanted more time.

That will get thrown out in 2 minutes.

How are you going to raise the money, yes you.

I don't believe you'll get support from any of the original DW group.

Which unit will be the Plaintiff? WDCU?


Keep talking the talk.



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Old 06-07-2011, 10:07 AM   #1125
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Bob,

I'm sorry, I think you miss understood what I was trying to say.

Based on the "DW Lawsuit" thread from last year, "you said" that if the changes did not happen, etc... the lawsuit would be brought back for discussion and was one of the reason why money was held back. Now what you're sasying is 180% out.

And when you state,

How are you going to raise the money, yes you.

I don't believe you'll get support from any of the original DW group.


That's exactly what I said early this year and last and was told "Oh no, we will get support"

I didn't think it would happen then, now or ever.


I really don't care about the lawsuit, I just don't want to see another year of this to continue and drag the club down even more.

Please just leave this thing alone, let it die on the vine and be done with it. All these Special Committee's projects do is bring the club down, cause us to loose membership, make it to where Airstream owners don't want to join and create hard feelings between those that are left in the club.

Let it die.
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:19 AM   #1126
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Paul, a lot of water passed under the bridge since then, things have changed.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:31 PM   #1127
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I make a Motion for a "5 year moritorium" on the creation ANY or ALL special committees, and ALL constitutional decisions and discussions, so we can get back to camping, having fun in our Airstreams and cool off.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:08 PM   #1128
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Hear, hear!

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I make a Motion for a "5 year moritorium" on the creation ANY or ALL special committees, and ALL constitutional decisions and discussions, so we can get back to camping, having fun in our Airstreams and cool off.
I second the motion.

In the last few years we have gone through,

the name change
the motor home amendment
the Thompson suspension
100K loss on the Madison International
the Garvey expulsion
the WBCCI forum fiasco
The Defend Wally fiasco
the constitutional revision fiasco

and next year, we are going to face

part II of the constitutional revision fiasco
and the motor home amendment again???

I hope not.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:24 PM   #1129
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And while maybe not an official fiasco, lets not forget the ELIMINATION OF 3 AMP at the International.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:28 PM   #1130
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I second the motion.

In the last few years we have gone through,

the name change
the motor home amendment
the Thompson suspension
100K loss on the Madison International
the Garvey expulsion
the WBCCI forum fiasco
The Defend Wally fiasco
the constitutional revision fiasco

and next year, we are going to face

part II of the constitutional revision fiasco
and the motor home amendment again???

I hope not.
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I have to ask just one question. Have you read the Revised Constitution? If so please be a bit more on point as to your problems with it. As I read it, it has addressed several of your points, grievances, the motor home issue, codified the name with respect to Ohio law, and advanced the operations of the Club into the 21st century. Since they have been addressed why continue to beat that drum.

I completely understand the comments coming from several of those against this Revision as they have, almost to a man, attempted to accomplish much of the same in the past and now are facing the possible completion of change at the hands of others.



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Old 06-07-2011, 09:50 PM   #1131
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the Thompson suspension

100K loss on the Madison International

the Garvey expulsion
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I would love to know about those three. But since I was not there, it would probably be gossip.

Gentlemen and Ladies, please allow me to recommend something to you. In the mid-1990s before I purchased my lovely 1986 Argosy, one of the exciting things for me was discovering a video entitled SILVER PALACE: An American Travel Adventure.

I was so hungry to travel and so hungry to learn more about Airstreams, about the history of the company and about Airstreamers. I used to play this short documentary for anyone who could sit still for 30 minutes.

I have several unopened VHS tapes of the program. But a few days ago, I bought the DVD version on Amazon which came with an additional feature, a Wally Byam film featuring several rallies from the 1963-64 era. What a treasure and surprise that was. I would love to suggest that you each click on the following link and get a copy of Silver Palace: An American Travel Adventure.

Sit down with your spouse and your kids or neighbours. Then turn down the lights and watch both features. The vintage footage and 1960s Airstreams have to be seen to be believed, especially since all the tow vehicles are all Buicks and Oldsmobiles. Total time for both shows is around one hour. Viewing the happy people enjoying the companionship and fellowship of the club and traveling together. Seeing them will let you know how petty this bickering and political ranting really is in the long run.

Every Airstreamer should enjoy these two short documentaries.

After watching these documentaries again tonight with a friend, it makes me hope the WBCCI is able to re-focus and find its "center" again so than new folks will look forward to joining rather than avoiding the club.

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Old 06-07-2011, 09:58 PM   #1132
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Paul, a lot of water passed under the bridge since then, things have changed.

The only thing that has changed as I see it, is that you have lost your 18 month soap box. You have been marginalized by the Great and Powerful OZ, and you took a lot of good folks with you!
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:38 PM   #1133
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The only thing that has changed as I see it, is that you have lost your 18 month soap box. You have been marginalized by the Great and Powerful OZ, and you took a lot of good folks with you!
First I'll apologize to Dave for using him as an example...


This is one type of post that needs to be avoided. This post has a strong potential of a retaliatory post and will take the thread off topic.

Please try to stick to the facts and away from a post that can be taken or is directly personal.
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:57 AM   #1134
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Lee, Unfortunately Dave is 100% correct in what has occurred here. A very divided membership was divided further by the expulsion of Mr. Garvey. Then divided further by two of the posters here with a law suit that was dropped in exchange of a constitutional rewrite which like every positive change, never happened also. What Dave has said is very relevant to this topic.
History, everything is built on it.

If people were not so upset, there would be very little reason for you to worry about this going off topic. Unfortunately, this issue and many more will never go away. Hopefully instead of a new lawsuit, fund would be solicited for a WB forum. Then there will not need to be any of this heated discussion here.
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