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Old 02-15-2011, 03:34 PM   #99
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Nominating Committee are supposed to find people to run for office. This can be a very difficult job because being a director or officer of a fair sized nonprofit is often a very time consuming job. Often retired people are the only people with the time. In a good world, the Committee would also engage in leadership training.

Of course, leaders often pack the Committee with their own kind and make sure clones are nominated.

These problems can be solved by making it easy to nominate from the floor or by internet or mail. Units could nominate people. Eliminating strict requirements that make it impossible to quickly rise in the structure of the organization would make it easier for new blood to be nominated and elected. Votes could be by mail and e-mail to increase democracy and participation.

When I served on the board and as an officer of a nonprofit I would often put in 10 to 40 hours a week and never could get done all that I hoped to do. We had quarterly board meetings that were two days each. The Exec. Comm. sometimes only met once a quarter, sometimes more. Those meetings were 2-3 hours. I served and chaired a number of committees—more time and preparation. Every meeting meant 1.5 to 10 hours travel. I paid for my lodging, meals and gas. I was always under pressure to donate money. Once I was free again the sense of relief was wonderful. These are not jobs that attract a lot of volunteers.

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A minimum requirement might be the ability to differentiate ones best interest from the clubs. Perhaps even to act accordingly on that information.
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so since we now will have less laws, we will be less corrupt
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It would be a class act for HowieE to apologize; Mistral provided a clear authority for his statement.

Although CrawfordGene is correct in the description of why an executive committee is necessary for good governance, I think that the folks that are concerned about abuse at the top focus on the WBCCI EC7 because those are the folks who appear to act in their own interest to the detriment of the general membership.

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so since we now will have less laws, we will be less corrupt
Fewer laws, less corrupt.

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so since we now will have less laws, we will be less corrupt
I don' t know, but thanks for publicly acknowledging that corruption exists.

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Nominating Committee .....

These problems can be solved by making it easy to nominate from the floor or by internet or mail. Units could nominate people. Eliminating strict requirements that make it impossible to quickly rise in the structure of the organization would make it easier for new blood to be nominated and elected. Votes could be by mail and e-mail to increase democracy and participation.
Yep, they are solved in the new constitution, so R U ready then to join the club?
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I don' t know, but thanks for publicly acknowledging that corruption exists.

Very funny wise guy!
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A minimum requirement might be the ability to differentiate ones best interest from the clubs. Perhaps even to act accordingly on that information.
Directors are fiduciaries and therefore are required to act in the organization's best interest, not their own.

One can state that on the internet and at meetings, or if that doesn't work, sue them in a members' derivative lawsuit. Obviously none of that has worked for reasons well known. A lawsuit was not actually filed, so we don't know how that would have worked out. The lawsuit promoters state they would have had a hard time winning, but I am unsure of that. However, it would have been very expensive.

The law provides the "minimum requirement", the problem is enforcing it.

If all this were solved, would I join the WBCCI? Bob, I doubt it will be solved. Even if the new constitution turns out to be ideal and allows real democracy, I don't think there will be significant change for years. Given my life expectancy (15 or so years), I might not be around for that. Maybe there will be change and ties, vests, flags galore, Lawrence Welk copy bands, parades of self appointed "distinguished" people, self perpetuating and clone leaders, and the rest of the trappings from the 1950's plus a military attitude will all disappear.

But, there are already alternatives to the WBCCI and they are growing while the WBCCI is shrinking. If the WBCCI can change, I think it will last, but be somewhat smaller (3,000-4,000 maybe). If it doesn't change, maybe 2,000 to 3,000. But internet based alternatives are replacing traditional organizations everywhere and they are the future. In 25 years perhaps an internet based organization will have taken over the WBCCI if it still exists (you can remind me of this prediction in 25 years and if I'm still around, I doubt I'll be too concerned). But, perhaps the WBCCI will change quickly and establish a positive relationship with the Forum, become internet savvy, and thrive, though with somewhat different style.

Anything is possible, but I don't see I good future for the WBCCI. I think the image is severely damaged plus trends away from traditional clubs appear unstoppable.

So, I make no commitments to join because I would have to see how it worked out in reality and it might not matter because alternatives look better all the time.

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Ummm.... this thread....Over the last few pages. !THIS!
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