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Old 02-14-2011, 08:22 PM   #85
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No I don't see it nor am I about to look it up. GUARANTEED! Post it if it's relevant. Forget it if it's too much trouble. As far as my questions they seem to have gone unaswered.
Please don't get testy Carol, be nice, there are 3 VP's
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:34 PM   #86
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I am not being testy, I will not look at small print nor rule books I leave that for you and others that have the stomach for those kinds of things. I will keep my eyes and ears open and absorb what I can through osmosis. Tell me what secondary and third in waiting have to do. This club should be able to almost run itself except for the tradition of moving up the ladder and rewards. I do have an aversion to cramming for the understanding of the rules of this recreational club as is shared and evidenced by many others, both in and out of the club. You can puff up with pride and strut or you can come back down and 'splain it to me. Why is the Executive Committee essential?
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:43 PM   #87
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Rideair is RIGHT on the MONEY!!!! We need Bylaws that say RELAXED CAMPING ATMOSPHERE!!. The WBCCI isn't the miliary, or a prep school, or an academy of some type. Its a camping-caravan club.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:52 PM   #88
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"You're really addressing issues with the Bylaws not the constitution

Which is the next step in the order of change, assuming the Constitution is adopted, the New Bylaws will follow for adoption at the next quarterly meeting of the new smaller IBT"

BINGO

Thank you for making my point! The "REAL" problems with the WBCCI or should we say the "WBCCI IBT/EC7" "IS NOT" the WBCCI Constitution but how the IBT/EC7 conducts themselves and writes the By-Laws that give them all the goodies and makes life rough for everyone.. They could double the number of IBT and EC7 members for all I care "AS LONG AS THEY ALL" stop taking the $$$ to travel around the country, git rid of the slacks,ties, etc.... and stop trying to shove things down our throat we don't want!

The problem is not the WBCCI Constitution, but the ones in power of it!
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:00 PM   #89
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Not sure where you where told that, it is not correct, they have been Revised, they can not be finalized pending amendments at the delegates meeting on the New Constitution.
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John Boutwell stated that the bylaws will not be revised until the constitution is approved. If rejected, there will, of course, be no revision. If the constitution is revised, there will be a new model constitution for the units.
So. . . if the Bylaws have been revised--and are tightly integrated with the new Constitution that the members are expected to approve--why can't the members see them?

I realize that the making of laws is much like the making of sausage, but frankly, this shell game is enough to gag a maggot.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:37 PM   #90
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The problem is not the WBCCI Constitution, but the ones in power of it!
If you vote yes the members will be in power!
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:01 PM   #91
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Could this be really happening? The very people (IBT/EC7) who has worked the system to get all the perks, control the membership and chase so many members away from the club have now seen the light and want to give control to the membership in such a way that we can take away all their $$$, power and control.

I keep forgetting, was I suppose to take the red or blue? That's right, You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

Sorry to see you needed to take the blue pill.
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Secret--secret, who has a secret?

I agree with Rideair. Why is all this such a BIG secret? We are off to the Palm Springs Modernism Show Week as spectators.
Maybe when we get back all the cloat and dagger and inuendo will be over.
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Why is the Executive Committee essential?
It isn't.
But you'll never hear that from a committee created by the Executive Committee.

Eliminate the Executive Committee.
Eliminate Mandatory Travel.

Vote No Confidence.
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It isn't.
But you'll never hear that from a committee created by the Executive Committee.
You seam to be a continuing source of misinformation by inferring that Committee was formed, suggested, created, or called for by the EC. The only part the EC played in this to date was when the report was presented to them for their consideration.

While it may not fit your style comments about how to vote may be better served by waiting until you have read the proposed changes. You clearly wanted change when Defendwally was first created, you just have lost your staying power.
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You seam to be a continuing source of misinformation by inferring that Committee was formed, suggested, created, or called for by the EC. The only part the EC played in this to date was when the report was presented to them for their consideration.

While it may not fit your style comments about how to vote may be better served by waiting until you have read the proposed changes. You clearly wanted change when Defendwally was first created, you just have lost your staying power.
"This will be a committee of the Executive Committee. It is being created to recommend to the Executive Committee a revision of the constitution and bylaws and policy. It will incorporate the information collected over the past several years and strive to detect and eliminate any inconsistency or any ambiguities and provide its recommendations to the executive committee for its action."
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Eliminate the Executive Committee.
That's a sound idea , why would any organization need a President, VP, recording secretary or treasurer.
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That's a sound idea , why would any organization need a President, VP, recording secretary or treasurer.
They can stay.

Eliminate the Executive Committee
Eliminate Mandatory Travel
Eliminate the Nominating Committee

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Often corporations have a board of directors and an executive committee. The exec. comm. usually has all or most of the powers of the board. The board meets periodically and the executive committee meets when action is required and there isn't enough time to get the board together. But there are many variations on this—sometimes the exec. comm. meets fairly frequently and the board may only meet annually, semiannually or quarterly. The bigger the board, the less likely it will meet frequently. The Exec. Comm. usually comprises the officers and maybe a few directors chosen by the board.

It is necessary to have an exec. comm. for emergencies. It can be limited in power and how often it meets. A smaller board makes it less likely the exec. comm. will meet as often. If you don't have an exec. comm., the officers will have to have power to act in emergencies, or you can have teleconferences with the board.

In my experience it is very difficult to get all the directors and even an executive committee together on short notice because the people who serve on these are often busy and need a lot of notice. Teleconferences with a large board are awful experiences, but with a small exec. comm. may work ok.

Board don't like exec. committees because the directors don't like decisions being made without them.

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