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Old 05-23-2011, 01:52 PM   #939
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Nail on Head!

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Could the real answer be that they have used up enough time so that the current IP can get out of office without a lawsuit? The thing has no chance and they know it, job completed lets move on to another waste of time......
I knew someone with some smarts would figure out where all this was going.

I agree Ed, this is the most elaborate smoke and mirror show to date, and it has nothing to do with making a better club. All of this was calculated to frustrate all of us who really care and can see what the club potential could be, because the real purpose of this exercise is to be able to say! "Hey we gave the membership a chance to make real change but they decided they were happy with the status quo". Boom, power stays in the hands of the IBT with the membership's blessing. A Coup d'etat without anything illegal.

So I don't believe for instant that the leadership of this club is incompetant. They have counsel, are deliberate and understand the consequences of their actions. Piss off the most vocal and send them packing in disgust and leave those who couldn't be bothered by the politics, to pay the ever increasing dues to maintain their club experience as it always has been.

I've tried to stay away from these discussions because they infuriate me so!

Oh to be oblivious again and join my AS Friends in their quest for the perfect recreational experience! Perhaps demetia will set in early and I can attend a happy hour wondering where I left my drink instead of how totally selfish and calculating some members of this club have become to be part of its "leadership" culture.

Am I bitter? You bet, and the sad part is, that a lot of really great people still belong to the organization. The cure for the WBCCI is not on the horizon, the cure for its disenfranchized lives in other associations whose cost and politics are minimal! Instead of attending 8-10 rallies a year with my former unit associations I will be on the road making new friends whose idea of fun and adventure are closer to my own!

So for those of you who are attending Alumapalooza....we'll see ya down the road!
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:09 PM   #940
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Four days, seven plus hours without a post by Bob.

Is there a gag order?

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Old 05-23-2011, 04:26 PM   #941
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Reminds me of the screen that used to appear on the plant's announcement TV channel when it was being updated.

"Please stand by while information is created for your benefit"

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Old 05-23-2011, 04:27 PM   #942
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Four days, seven plus hours without a post by Bob.

Is there a gag order?

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No Gene. More apt to be no reason to respond to the nonsense that has taken over this thread.

Did you forget a good lawyer never asks a question that he does not already know the answer to.
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:29 PM   #943
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I have a question...
Does this mean the law suit is back on? Where do I send my money?
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:51 PM   #944
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So for those of you who are attending Alumapalooza....we'll see ya down the road!
I will see you in Ohio, I owe you and Linda a beer!
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:06 PM   #945
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Mr. Pets was out of Internet communication because he was having his way paid to attend a unit rally and give a pep talk to get the Revised Constitution approved by that unit.
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Old 05-23-2011, 11:44 PM   #946
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Where's that worksheet/ballot!!
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Old 05-24-2011, 06:13 AM   #947
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Our unit held an additional feedback session this past weekend. Based on 4 feedback sessions and direction in our Business Meeting, I have prepared a set of changes to the revision. I will be submitting these prior to the Delegates' Meeting and posting them here in a day or two.

The changes do the following:

- remove the sections discussing the Members' Caucus.
- insert sections discussing the Delegates' Meeting.
- provide form 2 methods of voting for MALs, which are:
•electronic ballot in advance of the Delegates' Meeting
(cannot be counted if the question (or list of candidates) is amended on the floor)
•direct voting at the Delegates' Meeting, after confirmation that they are MAL and have not submitted an electronic ballot.
NOTE - MALs will not be seated as Delegates.
- elimination of the "recommendation" on the list of qualified candidates provided by the Nominating Committee (similar to the 2nd amendment being considered.
- insertion of language similar to that in the DenCo amendment.

With these changes, I can vote to approve.
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Old 05-24-2011, 06:33 AM   #948
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It appears hard to predict what the WBCCI will do next because most of us aren't that devious or dishonest. Most of us try to live up to our word. But it appears the best way to understand the WBCCI is to think of the worst thing they can do next, double it and then expect something like that. It is not cynicism, it is reality.
Gene,
You are normally pretty level headed and insightful in your postings. I find it unfortunate that you chose to dip into the realm of slander and innuendo when you have no understanding of the rational for the delay. I find your choice of words offensive coming from one who has never been in the club and who has said he will probably never join the club.

I know that there were some officers within the WBCCI, below the International level, that felt that this motion was too much, too fast and suggested that the approval process be slowed down. Had that not happened, I don't think there was much chance of it passing after all of the inevitable amendments that were going to occur at the International Rally.

For the pro-revised constitution crowd, the delay probably makes it more likely to be passed after some of the open issues are resolved for all members to see rather than just the Delegates. I really do not think this delay was a diversion tactic as many would suggest. Instead, I think this is an attempt to support change within the club.

That said, I am still not a supporter of this revised constitution, although I like some of the ideas it attempts to implement.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:17 AM   #949
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There are several options for the delegates,

1. Propose amendments, I understand that there are going to be a lot of them that will need to be consolidated to have a meaningful debate. There will not be an overall vote on just the Revision so the delegates will be sitting thru all the amendment debates/vote.

2. Vote on the Revision with those proposed amendments.

3. Complete the amendments, postpone the final vote with those amendments then known.
Complete the Bylaws in perhaps 90 days send those proposed bylaws out for the units to have plenty of time to debate those changes.
Vote on the whole package in 2012.

4. The IP can withhold the motion

5. A host of other motions can be made before, during and after the meeting.

As of now no one knows the true vote of all the units so speculation is a waste of time.

Anyone wishing to have a unofficial worksheet please email me.


Ps: I would like to commend Matt from GA for taking the time with his unit to explore their options and propose amendments. This was supposed to be done by all units rather than simply saying no to 18 Articles.


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Old 05-24-2011, 10:00 AM   #950
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4. The IP can withhold the motion
Are you saying that the International President could now scrap the entire thing? I thought that was not a viable option from your many previous statements when that possibility was mentioned. I thought the committee was not for the IP but had authority of its own from what we had been told here many times. As far as units supposed to be going over the revision changes I also commend and agree with Matt and his unit on his unit's changes and applaud their perseverance but my unit has had no discussions since the distribution of the package of initial documents from headquarters to unit president to member e-mail, which is very much to my dismay. I joined a unit rather than remain a MAL to get a vote. Looking back a year from today it seems there have been a lot of wheels spinning but time will tell if there has been any progress made forward rather than sideways with razzle dazzle and all that jazz. It seems members have been swamped with material and charged with more to do than the apethetic membership will accept. WAM52 and Ed expressed it very well in summing up the situation, and I couldn't agree more.

Give them a show with hocus pocus that's so splendiferous they wont catch wise...just daze and dazzle them... the big bamboozle
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:31 AM   #951
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Are you saying that the International President could now scrap the entire thing? I thought that was not a viable option from your many previous statements when that possibility was mentioned.
Sure he can but he won't.

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What?

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my unit has had no discussions since the distribution of the package of initial documents from headquarters to unit president to member e-mail, which is very much to my dismay.
Get on the phone with the units board, and the Region board and ask,
we know you're not bashful



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Old 05-24-2011, 10:36 AM   #952
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Can you post the unofficial worksheet here, or do we have to ask for it one at a time?

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Anyone wishing to have a unofficial worksheet please email me.


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