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Old 05-17-2011, 02:15 PM   #911
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What's even sadder is that your unit doesn't know how to handle a split vote.
They are supposed to vote X No's X yes, not winner take all.
Not that simple.
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Where did you come by that little piece of incorrect knowledge?

If you knew what you were talking about, it would be a miracle. You are a poor advertisement for the new constitution.

Our unit DOES vote proportionately. However, when a vote is called for and each and every hand in the room goes up, then, it is a unanimous vote.

The vote regarding nominating procedures was a split vote and will be reported as such.

I repeat, Highland Lakes voted unanimously against the new constitution at our business meeting. There was not a single voice raised in favor.
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Old 05-17-2011, 03:53 PM   #912
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I repeat, Highland Lakes voted unanimously against the new constitution at our business meeting. There was not a single voice raised in favor.
Ae you saying that each of the 18 Articles was voted against unanimously?
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:07 PM   #913
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Ae you saying that each of the 18 Articles was voted against unanimously?
The entire package was voted against unanimously. The offer was made to discuss the sections individually. Had had any one member asked to do so, it would have been handled that way. No one asked.

We have a highly educated and highly computer literate unit. The material was sent out in a timely manner and the President encouraged discussion.

The feeling I had from my conversations with members match my own in that there are some few items of merit in the proposal, but they are so swamped by the bad ideas that the entire package should be turned down.

Items of merit can be handled in the way they have been handled for decades, by motions.
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:58 PM   #914
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People would think the Highland Lakes Unit does not know what its doing based on the responses from the Revision Committee representation here on the forums.

Don’t be surprised if there’s not an official “rebuttal” from the Revision Committee telling you where the Unit fell short and the vote that was taken does not follow Roberts Rules and should not be taken seriously or even their delegate allowed a vote on the New Constitution at the International Rally.

One must understand they are the only ones that know what’s best for this club and no one is able to read a simple document and understand it without being told what it really means.

Glad to see the Unit was able to make their own decision based on the document as written in black and white whether it was for or against the New Constitution.

Makes me wonder if you would have had the same responses from the Revision Committee if the vote had went the other way?
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:43 AM   #915
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To those of you going to the rally there is a scheduled Revision Roundtable discussion on Sunday the 29th at 2PM.

National Apple Blossom Rally at the South Mountain Fairgrounds in Biglerville, PA, May 26 30, 2011

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:24 PM   #916
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Looks like the Revision Committee has been taking lessons from "Full Court Press".

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Though some might say its been more of a "Beat them into Submission"
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:13 PM   #917
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Hmm, we were told at our business meeting over this last weekend, that a vote on the Revised Constitution won't come until next year. There is supposed to be a ballot-like sheet awaiting someones' approval that will be sent out so members can read the current Articles of the Current Constiution what was, then the revised ideas of what will be, then a column to add a suggestion for their/our delegate to submit in DuQuion. We were told we weren't voting on the Revision at this time.
Confused and weary, and wondering why can't we just amend the current Constitution to make it more appropriate for todays' member.?.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:58 PM   #918
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Confused and weary, and wondering why can't we just amend the current Constitution to make it more appropriate for todays' member.?.
It is very rare someone with power gives up that power willingly.

Members need plans: 1. how to amend the revision when it comes up, 2. what to do if the whole thing fails, 3. what to do if it passes, 4. what to do if some passes and some doesn't. Without those plans you are still weak and the leadership still runs things.

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Yes Gene I understand. But...... there is too short of time to prepare. The EC-7 obstacle is great. They shot Forrest/Denco Motion easily. I am furious that nothing was accomplished at our Unit meeting. So why not just let them (ec-7) keep the baton to wave from the decks of WBBCI as she goes down. As I said above, we are weary. This entrenched hierarchy has carried us from one catastrophe to the next, "Name Change", MoHo issue, Leo's expulsion, Denco Motion, now the Revision, THIS IS NOT FUN!!.
What the H...E...double toothpicks happened to the much touted fun, fellowship, blah, blah blah. Oh, maybe when its convenient for them ( EC-7) rubbing elbows with eaach other telling themselves well done. We have other options, and will be heading to a Tin Can Tourist Rally this weekend in Canon City Co.

Hey LIPets, what's this ballot form that Bob Moss, Int'l Treasurer and Denco Member told us about that we shall have in our hands showing old and new Articles, and a blank for us members to give our sugesstive changes to our delegate before she heads to Du Quon? Will it be sent enmass by constant contact? Is it going to be approved soon? Clock's ticking, patience waning!
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Awaiting final approval on the form (actually a Worksheet) along with a few other items of great interest.
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:26 PM   #921
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Hmm, we were told at our business meeting over this last weekend, that a vote on the Revised Constitution won't come until next year. There is supposed to be a ballot-like sheet awaiting someones' approval that will be sent out so members can read the current Articles of the Current Constiution what was, then the revised ideas of what will be, then a column to add a suggestion for their/our delegate to submit in DuQuion. We were told we weren't voting on the Revision at this time.
All very interesting. Around April 1 we got the official word from the International President and HQ how it was going to be handled at the Delegates Meeting this year. Now suddenly we have the unofficial word that's all been thrown out, not gonna vote this year, and there is some new bunch of paperwork coming out.

Is this true? If so, how come every member hasn't already been notified by email, from HQ, and not second hand by the usual rumor mill? And while we're at it, how about citing the part of the current Constitution that allows them to change the rules just a month before the International.

And how about the units that have already voted? Our unit ballots were mailed to the members a couple of weeks ago and the business meeting is the day after tomorrow.

There's a simple solution.
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What a waste of time, energy and resources, not to mention the insufferable grandstanding we have had to endure. However it accomplished several things. It left Leo out of the club, it killed the lawsuit against the IBT and it diverted attention away from Forrest's amendment to give more power to the delegates and diverted attention away from the IP's inappropriate conduct in renigging on his public agreement with the region presidents in regard to pushing the DENCO amendment ahead. And it gave loft to a brand new social climbing aristocrat (or two.) It appears this has been a year when many have become sick and tired! Kinder the enemy who must malign us than the smug "friend" that will define us.
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Well it's not like Bob was voted in by membership. He just took the ball and ran, or was it took the money and ran making an unholy alliance? There was not a thing we could do to stop it and so many tried. You'd think he would disappear back to wence he came but I just don't think we will be that fortunate. Instead more will join the exodus away and leave the privileged to exact and sing their own accolades, which becomes even less and less fun for the masses, though the elite are far too self serving and enamoured with themselves to be much concerned about mere membership losses. It's all about friends...theirs. Yeah, we get it.
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