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Old 05-12-2011, 11:38 AM   #897
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I hope that after our next week meeting, Texas Highland Lakes joins them.
Hey John, you are aware that your unit invited the Revision Committee to attend on Monday.

Talk to you then.
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:07 PM   #898
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Exclamation CBL Rebuttal

Response of the Special Revision Committee to the March 18 Report of the Chairman of the Standing Committee on Constitution & Bylaws

In his report of March 18, 2011, the CBL Chairman makes a number of very strong statements regarding the proposed revised Constitution and the process by which it was developed. Some of these statements do not stand up to scrutiny and some should be viewed as “personal opinions” and not findings of fact. Other statements relate to Bylaws and not the Constitution. It must be noted that this report appears to be the work of the Chairman alone and not the three member Standing Committee. It should not be represented as a Standing Committee report.

We will address the main points briefly in this note.

No Input from Members: The CBL Chairman comments that there was no input to the revision. This is false. The Committee interviewed Standing Committee Chairs, all Region Presidents and several Past International Presidents. We reviewed previous member surveys, a report by a Past International President and Committee reports including those of the 2020 Committee. As well, we received almost 300 comments from members through available web forums that were viewed 15,700 times.

Blue Ribbon” Committee: The inference here that the Revision Committee members are unqualified is inappropriate. This statement suggests that there are different classes of members. Committee members were chosen as a diverse group representing a broad cross-section of WBCCI. All are members in good standing who have served and are serving in elected positions at the Unit, Region and International levels of the Club.

Revision Committee violates the WBCCI Constitution: The CBL Chairman describes the formation of the Committee as being in violation of the current Constitution and Bylaws. This is false. The mandate of the CBL Committee is to review proposed “amendments”. Robert’s Rules is very clear that when changes proposed are so extensive as to be a new document, these are revisions and not amendments. This was clearly explained – the CBL Committee is not mandated to do a revision.

Not consistent with the Ohio Codes: The WBCCI attorney has stated that the proposed revision is in compliance with the Ohio Codes. To suggest otherwise is false. There appears to be a false impression that all meetings must be conducted “face to face” when in fact the Ohio codes authorize use of electronic means.

Direct voting not effective: This is unsubstantiated personal opinion. If it were true, then it must be true for all elections where individual members have the opportunity to vote, for example at the Unit level. The current Delegate system does not guarantee that the Delegate will fully reflect the Unit’s

Role of Past International President:
This position is not removed from being an International Officer as stated but is changed to a non-voting advisory role on the IBT.

Elimination of 3rd VP: This can readily be accomplished in conjunction with an overhaul of management of the International rally. Elimination of this position will reduce club expenses. The CBL Chairman appears to argue for the status quo throughout his report.

Reduction in Number of Regions/Areas: The proposal does not specify a number as the report would imply, leaving this to the Bylaws. A reduction combined with the elimination of the 3rd VP position could save the Club as much as $17,000 annually.

Standard of Conduct: The Revision Committee has indeed changed the Code of Ethics to prevent it from being used as an enforcement tool to punish outspoken members. The notion that we might somehow be opened up to legal action is a personal opinion not shared by Committee members. An alternative view is that use of the current Code as an enforcement tool could open the Club to litigation.

Name of Corporation: Adding the words “also known as the Airstream RV Association” does not compromise any agreement with Airstream Inc., it simply incorporates the wording currently on the WBCCI letterhead which more clearly identifies who we are.

End of term audit: No end of term audits have been conducted in recent memory, so the CBL Chairman is arguing to retain something that WBCCI does not do. The Club will be better served by an independent CPA review of the financial statements, which will be incorporated into the Bylaws and which will provide the desired independent professional oversight at lower cost. We are a simple organization and a formal audit is an unnecessary expense.

IBT Meetings: The CBL Chairman does not recognize that much routine club business can be conducted electronically without the expense of travel to meeting sites. Using electronic means to do routine business frees up scheduling of meetings and saves the Club money.

Burden on Staff: The workload for compiling direct member voting results has been studied and found to be very modest. The impact on HQ staff is minor, amounting to a few hours to tabulate votes as well as the time required to prepare and send out ballots. This would be offset by the elimination of staff time formerly dedicated to preparing for the Delegates meeting.
Nominating Committee: Concern about nominations from the floor is unnecessary as the proposed process would allow candidates to “self-declare” by a specified date. Members should know the names and qualifications of all candidates and what each candidate wants to achieve in the office sought.

Amendments: The CBL Chairman opposes streamlining the amendment process. The current processes are complex, confusing (witness the DenCo motion) and time consuming. Change is needed. A streamlined process with Direct Member Voting will be more efficient.

Warning: This warning is highly inappropriate and beyond the role of the Chairman. It is also inappropriate to advise Delegates not to listen to anyone outside their Unit or Region. Does The CBL Chairman want to block members taking an interest and sharing opinions about issues that are important to members? Discourse among members is always to be encouraged.

Closing Comment
As the proposed revision is outside the mandate of the Constitution and Bylaws Standing Committee, copy of the proposed revision was sent to the CBL Chairman as a courtesy and not as a requirement of the WBCCI Constitution and Bylaws. His report was improperly sent directly to Region Presidents and circumvented the Executive Committee. The report appears to be his work alone, based mostly on personal opinion of merit and not a factual review of the technical validity of the proposed revision.


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Old 05-13-2011, 06:20 PM   #899
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This comment was part of the most recent newsletter from one of the units which we belong to:

PROPOSED WBCCI CONSTITUTION REVIEW

There was no desire on the part of the attendees at the Rally to spend any time reviewing the proposed changes to the WBCCI Constitution. Basically, the thinking was that this activity was to satisfy those few in the WBCCI membership that are concerned about the Constitution's content and not very useful to the rest of the membership. The feeling was that the changes were needed and what was proposed was reasonable, so we didn't need to do anything.


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Bill,
Very interesting. May be hope for some change. Thanks for posting.
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This comment was part of the most recent newsletter from one of the units which we belong to:

PROPOSED WBCCI CONSTITUTION REVIEW

There was no desire on the part of the attendees at the Rally to spend any time reviewing the proposed changes to the WBCCI Constitution. Basically, the thinking was that this activity was to satisfy those few in the WBCCI membership that are concerned about the Constitution's content and not very useful to the rest of the membership. The feeling was that the changes were needed and what was proposed was reasonable, so we didn't need to do anything.


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Joe,

I have a different take. That is that this unit is not concerned with the constitution as worrying about it interferes with their fun, fellowship and adventure with friends.

I am sure that there are many other members who have the same feeling and will vote yes since it was proposed and will not take the time to review the document. Don't forget that only a few of the almost 6,000 members belong and participate in this forum.

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Very interesting. May be hope for some change. Thanks for posting.
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Old 05-14-2011, 08:09 AM   #902
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Article XII the IBT will have total control over the number of new areas. These areas are to be of equal membership. How often will the areas be reorganized? Is the number of members based on the units or the location of the individual members? For those units which cover more than one state, how will they be assigned to areas? Will units in states be split into more than one areas? I don't believe that it is necessary to change the word "Region" to "Area". I thought that there was a minimum number of areas, but cannot locate it. Can someone point me to the correct section?
Response: The details of boundaries and the number of Areas was discussed. It was felt that these details were best left to the Bylaws. There is only one Constitutional requirement, that of having an approximately equal number of members. Region or Area are only titles, strictly a matter of taste. It was felt that because of other changes, a name change made sense. The proposed Constitution has no minimum number of Regions. An earlier draft that was released without authorization has created some confusion in this regard. As with our current Constitution, the Bylaws will provide the details of “how” and “when”. There has been much discussion about the best number of “Areas” or “Regions” and views still differ widely. The Club will need the flexibility to adjust its organization in response to changing membership numbers and this is best accomplished through Bylaws which are easier to amend.

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Article VII I agree with the extension of term for the Treasurer, but it is necessary for the Recording Secretary? Why are the Treasurer and Recording Secretary voting members of the IBT and Executive Committee? It seems to me that these are staff positions and not line positions.

Response: The terms of the Treasurer and Recording Secretary are proposed to be extended to two years to provide greater continuity on the Executive Committee and the IBT. With the terms expiring in alternate years, there will be no gap in the continuity. It is quite normal to designate these elected positions as members of the Executive in a nonprofit membership organization. Their roles are important to the Club.

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Article XVI The member caucus is to be "...scheduled during the summer months or at a scheduled International Rally...". Shouldn't it be required that the caucus be at the International Rally to insure the most members attend and participate? If the July meeting is held using electronic means, will members be able to comment on the agenda or only able to listen? Is it necessary to attend the international in person to participate in the Caucus? I am uncertain that replacing the current delegate system with the member caucus is an improvement.

Response: Practically, the member caucus would be held at the International Rally. The rally is not mandated by the revised Constitution, the Members’ Caucus is. The Members’ Caucus is an important part of the governing process. It is here where procedures are discussed and opinions and points of view are shared before members cast their votes. It would be streamed and the strengths and weakness debated for any member with a computer to hear. The importance of this meeting justifies it's inclusion in the Constitution. Members would need to attend the meeting to enter into the discussion. There have been many suggestions that the International Rally needs more flexibility in setting dates and some question whether it should be held annually. While we would expect that the Caucus would normally be held at the Rally, what if a Rally is not held or is cancelled? This provision would give the Club the flexibility to schedule another venue for a Members’ Caucus.
On July 5th, the major business would typically be the Budget. The Budget must be approved at the beginning of the fiscal year. The meeting on July 5th has never been well attended by the membership. There are usually less than 10 members present other than those that have to be there because of their office. This move disconnects the International Rally from July 1-5.
The Committee strongly feels that only by having a direct vote can we assure every member can have a voice. The weakness of the Delegate system was that a Delegate was free to represent their Unit’s or their personal views. It was clear from the actual vote that some personal views often won out. The current Delegate system is being replaced by both direct member voting and the Members’ Caucus. They are fully linked. Direct member voting obviates the role of the Delegate and we want to retain a deliberative forum through the Caucus. We are encouraging broad discussion throughout the Club so that members can decide if these combined changes are an improvement.




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Old 05-16-2011, 01:34 PM   #903
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I guess you could say it’s the perfect storm. With the WBCCI membership worn down, the remaining worn thin from years of the IBT/EC7 killing the club with Name Change, MOHO, etc… members that would normally fight the actions of the EC7 have left the club out of disgust or been forced to leave, a lawsuit that was never really a lawsuit, donations to the lawsuit being withheld causing even more to leave that would normally fight, a member of the so called lawsuit becoming a Revision Committee member under smoke and mirrors tactics never seen before in the club who once stood arm and arm with those that are now called naysayers, trouble makers, etc… the committee that wrote the New Constitution getting allowed to push it like never before through emails, unit visits, and even “Rebuttals” to the CBC report!, etc… and the residual membership that just sit on the sidelines giving the “head nod” for anything the EC7, IBT or IP puts before them, you have all the working for the “Perfect Storm”.


Many would say the guys running the club at the top are not the smartest when it comes to promotions, making the club family friendly, making the International Rally fun, etc… they are however VERY smart when it comes to protecting their social club and it appears that is what they have done and will continue to be able to do. I just hope those who rubberstamp this thing enjoys the show to come.

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even “Rebuttals” to the CBC report!
What you didn't like the rebuttal either?

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I just hope those who rubberstamp this thing enjoy the show to come.
The Hollow Men
TS Eliot

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without color,
Paralyzed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us - if at all - not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

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Funny but true story...

This weekend I was buying fuel at a gas station in Central Virginia. An older fella(80ish) came up to me and struck up a conversation about my trailer. He was commenting on the lack of red numbers. Turns out he was a member for ten years in the 1970's. He told me he left because of all the politics and inequity between the leadership and the common members. I was astounded that this situation of decline has been going on this long. To think, as long as Bob's trailer has been rolling the same naysayers and quitters have been part of the WB history. I wonder if some of them were also Neanderthals.
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Funny but true story...

This weekend I was buying fuel at a gas station in Central Virginia. An older fella(80ish) came up to me and struck up a conversation about my trailer. He was commenting on the lack of red numbers. Turns out he was a member for ten years in the 1970's. He told me he left because of all the politics and inequity between the leadership and the common members.
There was a group formed from Region Nine (IIRC) a few years ago for the expressed purpose of camping out. They communicated via e-mail and phone. They purposely elected no officers, had no hierarchy and maintained a loose organization. They just got together and went Airstreaming several times a month!! They were so tired of the politics. They were pretty active and probably still are. I just lost touch with them.

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It's going to take 1/3 of all units voting NO across the board to stop this madness -- you have to wonder if they're actually even out there...
You can put Texas Highland Lakes solidly in the no column with our 80-odd members. The vote was 100% against the new constitution.

Sadly, the motion to open up the nomination process lost by a split vote.

I have heard that someone is going to make a motion that the new constitution be tabled and revisited next year.
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Sadly, the motion to open up the nomination process lost by a split vote.
What's even sadder is that your unit doesn't know how to handle a split vote.

They are supposed to vote X No's X yes, not winner take all.

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I have heard that someone is going to make a motion that the new constitution be tabled and revisited next year.
Not that simple.


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