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Old 05-11-2011, 05:48 PM   #883
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I can assure you we had a unanimous vote and an open discussion. People often agree when they have a chance to discuss issues.
Matt, can I ask how many of the 315 members actually voted and of those in person or mail ins Vs no votes at all?


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Old 05-11-2011, 06:49 PM   #884
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Matt, sounds like a cross examination is going on so he can see if he can void the vote.

Don't say anything more and be prepared for this at the meeting.

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Gene,

Do you always have negative chi.

I have no such intent, I was trying to use an example of a large units voting thru delegates v OMOV.

For example using 300 as easy number, I assume all 300 didn't vote, we don't get more than 60% in US presidential elections.

Most units around 20%.

So if 60 members voted yes/no they automatically carry the other 240 to that same vote.



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Matt, sounds like a cross examination is going on so he can see if he can void the vote.

Don't say anything more and be prepared for this at the meeting.

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Gene,
Let Matt answer Bob's question.
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That problem can be solved by having each delegate certify the number of members who voted and how they voted (at a rally, by mail, by internet, by phone) and carry that number to the International Rally.

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Gene,

Do you always have negative chi.

I have no such intent, I was trying to use an example of a large units voting thru delegates v OMOV.

For example using 300 as easy number, I assume all 300 didn't vote, we don't get more than 60% in US presidential elections.

Most units around 20%.

So if 60 members voted yes/no they automatically carry the other 240 to that same vote.



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Gene,
Let Matt answer Bob's question.
Joe you need to understand, Gene not being a member doesn't know it's in the minutes anyway.

And according to RONR p. 444 that are viewable to any member.
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Gene,
Let Matt answer Bob's question.
Or let him not answer Bob's question, as he sees fit.

Nobody appointed Bob prosecutor.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:48 PM   #890
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It appears the Revision Committee is no longer supporting "1M1V" but a new style of voting "OMOV". I guess "OMOV" means:

"Oppressed Members Obeyingly Voting".

See what happens when you don't eat the "New Constitution" Cookie and drink the Kool-Aid

Don't go against them or you will be Oppressed until you become Obeyingly!
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Old 05-11-2011, 08:31 PM   #891
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The constant attacking of the new constitution, it's writers and supporters have probably made more people likely to vote FOR it. Constant negativity can turn people against your argument if valid or not. Or is that your plan? Yea right! jim
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Jim,

I'm sorry, I meant to write:

I guess "OMOV" means:

"Omnicorporeal Members Optatively Voting"

or was it

"Objective Members Obliviously Voting"


One just finds it interesting when the "orginial" meaning of "1M1V" that many like was taken over to mean something a little different this time around was pointed out. It has now become "OMOV".

Let's just call it what it is "Direct Member Voting" and be done with it.

And you know how much everyone likes the "DMV".
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:27 PM   #893
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I missed so much.

Our unit is very old fashioned. We inform the members of the time, location, and topics by US Mail and e-mail.

48 units were represented (of 316).

Those who chose not to attend can still provide input to me, and are being asked to do so at the next rally, by e-mail, or by phone. Because the direction I received requires me to seek input, I will do so until votes are cast.
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Thank you Matt,

The percentages to be used in casting the votes at the Delegates Meeting is the number of Unit members as of June 1.

Only yes, no and abstention votes count in establishing the percentage.
If members aren't at their unit meeting and/or don't vote by mail or email either yes, no or abstain, their votes are distributed according to the percentage that did vote.


Using 300 by example with 20% voting in total or 60 voting yes and no other member voted, at the Delegates Meeting that Unit Delegate would vote 300 yes or winner take all.

Or if 40 yes and 20 no the delegate would vote 200 yes and 100 no.
That is the percentage of the votes cast proportionately distributed for those who did not vote.

If we used as proposed 1M1V that would not happen only 60 would be counted.

Is that a skewed vote? A candidate would be getting all those votes gratis, wherein, those extra 240 votes in the example, zero out maybe 10 small units votes.

Or if the delegate of a large unit doesn’t go …then what.

Ps: ( RONR uses the abbreviation OMOV )




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"Ps: ( RONR uses the abbreviation OMOV )"


And being someone that seams to be using RONR quotes a bunch, I'm sure members on the Revision Committee have known for sometime that RONR uses the term "OMOV".

But for some reason, the committee used the term "1M1V" over and over in post during the past six months. Why would that be? Maybe, just maybe, because the Revision Committee knew the phrase "1M1V" had a following, decided even though they are proposing something very different than the original meaning and something more along the lines of "DMV" Direct Member Voting, people may not embrace it because it would seem to be a new concept and it would not have the impact in getting people to sign onto the New Constitution as does "1M1V".


I've seen this tactic used many times in DC politics.


Never thought I would see it used in the WBCCI.
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Of course we could offer electronic participation to the delegates (certified through their units) who could not attend the Delegates Meeting. They could be involved in the debate and vote as instructed. Only a small cost to the club and small job for the staff.
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