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Old 05-09-2011, 10:11 PM   #855
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How many members will listen to the caucus and how many will attend? I think that attendance will be comparable to the mid winter meeting and it will be a home town crowd without much dissension and praise for how well the leadership is doing.

How members currently listen to the meetings and how many download for later listening enjoyment?


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The caucus will stream info to all members to discuss the vote afterwards with their unit.

Not at all, how many units will not show up with $5 a gal gas, not everyone can afford that trip and the rally fee plus that time off.
This trip can be about $2,000 in fuel alone from say the west coast.
I know of several already that are not able to go.

Let's see how many actually show up next month?

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Old 05-09-2011, 10:41 PM   #856
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Howie,

We have "Railroad Engineers" in Florida living in Disneyland.

YouTube - Disneyland Railroad- Steam Train Engineers


We have "Snake Oil" salesmen selling us the magic cure.

YouTube - The Snake Oil Brothers Medicine Show #1

Sounds like "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the Right"

YouTube - Stealers Wheel - Stuck In The Middle With You



And people wonder why members are leaving the WBCCI
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:44 PM   #857
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You may have missed it. Fl #27 had voted NO but a membership uprising had that meeting voided
Howie that is a fact but.....

that's NOT what I was referring to




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Old 05-10-2011, 07:12 AM   #858
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How many members will listen to the caucus and how many will attend? I think that attendance will be comparable to the mid winter meeting and it will be a home town crowd without much dissension and praise for how well the leadership is doing.

How members currently listen to the meetings and how many download for later listening enjoyment?


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I would say about as many as show up for local town meetings or county commission meetings where we live.
Being informed is a choice that we have. The opportunity to either show up at the meeting or listen to it is there for those who want to know what is happening.

The real question is 'How much faith do you have in your delegate"
That of course is assuming there is even one there to represent you.
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You elect and instruct your delegate! I hope your trust is high!
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Old 05-10-2011, 11:47 AM   #860
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There are units that manipulate the vote and the process.

Ask yourself this, can a unit with 50, 100 or 300 members on a hot button issue as this Revision have a unanimous vote?

The Las Vegas odds makers would love a piece of that.

To the Point

Current Bylaws Article XVII is very specific that a percentage method is to be used by each Unit so that their actual June 1st membership is represented by that percentage.
If they are using any other method of representing their Unit's vote, they are in violation of the Bylaws.
Further, it could mean that their Unit votes not be counted.




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Old 05-10-2011, 12:11 PM   #861
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One issue is cost and difficulty to attend. Perhaps the real answer is electronic participation as an option for delegates.

MALs could vote in advance or select a single delegate.
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:34 PM   #862
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One issue is cost and difficulty to attend. Perhaps the real answer is electronic participation as an option for delegates.

MALs could vote in advance or select a single delegate.
I agree. I have thought members have been priced out of a vote long ago and it only continues to esculate in nature. It is not a matter of losing members or retaining or even recruiting but simply having "quality" members that have no problem covering costs and even volunteering to raise monies starting with their personal contribution and fitting into the current system and by being extended the invitation to be brought "up" by the old order.

Utilizing the electronic methods of working efficiently in modern times is very much key. However that in itself is at odds with expense accounts that enable excessive and unnecessary travel, as if we would not all like to travel gratis endlessly in "business reimbursements" in our Airstreams. Yet that is not affordable with today's membership numbers, nor is it what the majority of active members wish to gleam from their membership these days. More politically correct and attuned to today's challenges for the average Airstreamer is to meet and greet in recreational environments with a minimum of pomp and ceremony and an inclination to increase member benefits such as lower dues and greater benefits that the individual can avail themselves of and not the percentage of SkyMed discount or hospitality basket and formal gala for International officers. Rather, family events, shorter stays, discounted fees and age appropriate entertainment and pertinent seminars should be cultivated. Officer and caravan leadership seminars may not have the draw they once had in prior times with a professional and retired affulent membership.

And Howie and Bob I am not soliciting commentary from either of you by participating in WBCCI threads, as I am certain is the very case with many others. Many were able to carry on before you and I dare say and hope many will be able to continue long after you have had your fill of flash in the pan celebrity.
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This type of voting has happened in the past and it will probably happen this year. Has any unit had their votes not counted in the past and will this provision be enforced this year?

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There are units that manipulate the vote and the process.

Ask yourself this, can a unit with 50, 100 or 300 members on a hot button issue as this Revision have a unanimous vote?

The Las Vegas odds makers would love a piece of that.

To the Point

Current Bylaws Article XVII is very specific that a percentage method is to be used by each Unit so that their actual June 1st membership is represented by that percentage.
If they are using any other method of representing their Unit's vote, they are in violation of the Bylaws.
Further, it could mean that their Unit votes not be counted.




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Old 05-10-2011, 01:04 PM   #864
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One issue is cost and difficulty to attend. Perhaps the real answer is electronic participation as an option for delegates.
So no debate with other delegates

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This type of voting has happened in the past and it will probably happen this year. Has any unit had their votes not counted in the past and will this provision be enforced this year?Bill


It is being discussed, the red flags are the units with
unanimous votes I suppose.

How does it get enforced?


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This type of voting has happened in the past and it will probably happen this year. Has any unit had their votes not counted in the past and will this provision be enforced this year?
Remind me to bring a hard hat to the delegates meeting. If they decide not to count the votes of units that vote "the wrong way", chairs are going to be flying!

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Old 05-10-2011, 01:33 PM   #866
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Question

On a different question, as you know each of the 18 Articles are open for amendment as this is a proposed or fluid doc.

Which Article concerns you the most and how would you suggest it be amended.



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Old 05-10-2011, 01:42 PM   #867
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Nothing has really changed

I find it funny when people us the argument of gas prices, time-off, family commitments, length of the International Rally, etc… as reason why people don’t attend the International Rally and thus as reason to get rid of the Delegates way of voting on issues pertaining to the club, Regional International Rallies, etc…

Does anyone really think people got more time off of work 10, 15, 30 years ago compared to today?

Does anyone really think that families didn’t have commitments back then?

The price of gas vs. income is less “now” than it was in 1955, 1972, 1981 (adjusted for inflation)
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6440

The rally was just as long then as it is now.

The roads where worse, cars slower, etc...

So when people try to use this argument for 1M1V, Smaller Region International, etc… is a bunch of nothing because if you really look at the FACTS, it’s not true!

Maybe the reason why people don’t go to the International Rally is because you can no longer go for pennies on the dollars (since we all need E/W/S) compared to a local campground, there’s nothing for kids, etc… Bring back the days of the International Rally under the “Big Top”, 3amp (if you’re are lucky) and make it fun again, people might actually look forward to going to the International Rally and being a Delegate and casting those Unit votes!
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:59 PM   #868
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The price of gas vs. income is less “now” than it was in 1955, 1972, 1981 (adjusted for inflation)
Gasoline Prices in Perspective | Jerry Taylor and Peter Van Doren | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
Not sure I can buy that one. The max I paid for gas in 1972 when I went to my first international was $.36 . It is now over ten times that. I can assure you that my income hasn't increased by ten times in the same period.

That being said however that is not what keeps me from going to the current International. What keeps me from going is a feeling it is overpriced for what I am receiving and offers little of interest as there is nothing new after 15 or so of them
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