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Old 05-09-2011, 05:37 PM   #841
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Listen, vote yes, vote no, or do not vote, but please keep on camping!!!!!! Being with, camping with, talking to ASers is our sanity, our adventure our REASON TO KEEP ON KEEPIN ON.
For five years I served as the 1st V.P. of a local 501c3 chapter of an international historical music group. At one time, they probably had over 10,000 members. When I joined around twenty years ago, they were down to 6000 members. Last count, they were around to 3,000 members and losing numbers rapidly. In the last five years, they have gone through major political struggles with the entire board resigning at one point and starting an identical group with a handful of members. They fired one editor of the magazine and the next one, a man of integrity, walked out when he saw what the board was doing with the funds. This group has had the same public "discussions" as is happening here on this forum. But they are not recruiting new blood, they are not just making music that folks can enjoy and the group is bleeding members with every passing week. They are too busy claiming their piece of the shrinking pie. That is why I asked before, how much better would it be if all those folks on these committies trying to get this constitution and amendments passed would go out and recruit some new folks excited about Airstreaming and excited about camping with their RV???

I'm afraid that music group has less than ten years before it becomes a little hobby club instead of an exciting historical musical group dedicated to the preservation of the American theatre pipe organ and its music. Right now, they are more interested in who is gonna be the king next and how they can use this position to promote their personal agenda...which some are doing already.

Could some of that be happening with the WBCCI???

Just wondering...

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Old 05-09-2011, 06:56 PM   #842
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BTW, Texas Coastal Plains, largest unit in Texas, emailed that they voted unanimously against the proposal. I hope that after our next week meeting, Texas Highland Lakes joins them.
Texas Coastal Plains is not the largest in TX, it is the third, Texas Highland Lakes is 2nd.

Don't be surprised if their vote is changed!

More on that later.


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Bob,

Is this week up yet?

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The faq's just have taken longer than expected to get all the committee members input also there were so many duplicates to weed thru.

But the current questions are done except for a final proof read tomorrow.
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"Texas Coastal Plains is not the largest in TX, it is the third, Texas Highland Lakes is 2nd.

Don't be surprised if their vote is changed!

More on that later."


Based on what Pahaska said, it sounds like the membership had a vote, voted "NO" to the passing of the New Constitution.

Now we're being told from a Revision Committee member that we should not be "surprised" if their vote "is changed!"

What would make a Unit that "unanimously votes "NO" make them change their vote?

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Old 05-09-2011, 08:29 PM   #846
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It doesn't seem likely that a vote on this subject would be unanimous altho I guess it could happen. It sounds more like a majority vote no and then a decision to vote the unit as a block. Just guessing but have seen it happen before
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It doesn't seem likely that a vote on this subject would be unanimous altho I guess it could happen. It sounds more like a majority vote no and then a decision to vote the unit as a block. Just guessing but have seen it happen before
Rick, that is a frequent problem, there is this type of manipulation currently with unit/delegate voting.

OMOV eliminates those shenanigans.

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What would make a Unit that "unanimously votes "NO" make them change their vote?
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The model unit constitution and the CBL review should outlaw that type of conduct.

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Rick, that is a frequent problem, there is this type of manipulation currently with unit/delegate voting.

OMOV eliminates those shenanigans.

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Our unit voted unanimously, both last year and this. It wasn't YES or NO. It authorized the delegate to listen and vote as he understands their wishes!

I intend to do just that.

No manipulation, no secret meeting. Just lots of communication!
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What would make a Unit that "unanimously votes "NO" make them change their vote?
A lawsuit?
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What would make a Unit that "unanimously votes "NO" make them change their vote?
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You may have missed it. Fl #27 had voted NO but a membership uprising had that meeting voided and they are re voting by e mail. Don S and Frank C railroad got over turned. Seams the Old Railroad Engineers aren't as effective as they used to be.

The quiet members are sensing change and are showing a willingness to accept it.
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Wouldn't that be the case without delegates, that only the members present at the caucus would have a voice in what is returned to units to vote upon? Presently every unit is represented or can be with an alternate at the delegates meeting. Units can vote 1M1V and not a block vote and we can still have deleagtes to have collective bargaining. Doing away with delegates is like busting a union. Divided each member has less power as scattered individuals. The EC will still retain their power only with less checks and balances.
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Wouldn't that be the case without delegates, that only the members present at the caucus would have a voice in what is returned to units to vote upon? presently every unit is represented or can be with an alternate.
The caucus will stream info to all members to discuss the vote afterwards with their unit.

Not at all, how many units will not show up with $5 a gal gas, not everyone can afford that trip and the rally fee plus that time off.
This trip can be about $2,000 in fuel alone from say the west coast.
I know of several already that are not able to go.

Let's see how many actually show up next month?


Oppps you did a Carol change your post thing again

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Doing away with delegates is like busting a union. Divided each member has less power as scattered individuals. The EC will still retain their power only with less checks and balances.
Did you know that RONR recommends OMOV.

Divided there is more member power not less.

The EC will have more checks and balances.





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