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Old 03-25-2011, 01:11 PM   #421
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From Don Shafer - Recommendations concerning the proposed new WBCCI Constitution

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Don was never the head of the Revision committee.

Dona is.

I believe that when reading Don's opinion, yes opinion not recommendation you must pay attention.

2. RECOMMENDATION
A. After careful consideration of the new proposed Constitution, it is the
recommendation of this committee that this new constitution NOT BE ADOPTED, certainly not at this time.
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:20 PM   #422
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sure based on false opinions,
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:26 PM   #423
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Art X, sec 4

I have my first punch list. Is it better to post each subject separately?

I like a smaller EC and less regions which will put more members together and evenly grouped into areas, with the necessary exception of having at least 5 distinct geographical areas for accessability.

I like MALs getting a vote and can hold office with the exception of area and unit positions. That would seem to be acceptable as indicated by choosing a member at large status.

Sec. 4 There shall be two (2) meetings of the IBT each year. One such meeting shall be held within the first five (5) days of July of the year in which the IBT is elected, and one during the first calendar quarter. The President may call special meetings of the IBT upon giving the members thereof ten (10) days prior written notice of the time and place of any such special meeting.

One meeting to be held in the first five days of July, but the International can go from July to the last full week in August, would that double or increase traveling expenses or decrease attendance at one or the other? Why not make the second meeting during the quarter when the International is held as the other meeting is held any time during the larger range of 1st quarter rather than a 5 day window of opportunity?
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:34 PM   #424
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Art XIV sec 3

Sec. 3 The Nominating Committee shall interview all verified candidates and prepare a report listing the slate of candidates in alphabetical order for each position. The report will include recommendations of those candidates who have met the minimum qualifications as found in the Bylaws and are most qualified for the position they are seeking.

I see no reason pre-election to prejudice membership with a complimentary seal of approval or an unnecessary recommendation or report of the most qualified by the nominating committee. That was a practice followed but not part of any bylaws to be included if I have that correct. The alphabetical order and having been checked as to qualifying as a member should be sufficient. It then will be accompanied by the candidates own campaign statement, mission or vision statement, and any credentials they so choose to list. I see absolutely no reason to hand some candidates the vote of those that will merely follow the recommendation of another rather than investigate the options on their own volition. I see that as unfair advantage to fortunate candidates that the individual of a committee may prefer personally. I think it has no place in a proper election process.
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Is it better to post each subject separately?
Carol if I can suggest using the "Title" (above the message) for the Article number,

Art #May be easier to follow and we can then build a FAQ section on the club website.

Carol please include the Art # along with the sec.

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Old 03-25-2011, 01:41 PM   #426
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Art XVI sec. 1 & sec. 2

Members caucus replaces delegates. I would love to hear comments on how this is distinct and an advantage or disadvantage. The IP still presides however all members can take part rather than selected delegates, but I am not clear on what the part can or will be.

ARTICLE XVI
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There shall be a Membersí Caucus scheduled during the summer months or at a scheduled International Rally, if needed, to address proposed amendments to the Standard of Conduct or Constitution. Discussions at the Membersí Caucus shall serve to inform members and the originators of proposed amendments about concerns, possible modifications and benefits of the proposal before a direct vote by members takes place.
Sec. 2 All WBCCI members may attend and participate in a Membersí Caucus.

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Old 03-25-2011, 01:44 PM   #427
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Great idea Bob! I have misplaced the doc and was going from notes. I hope my posts don't time out before I can correct them.
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All that read this have to remember that Don Schaffer has a personnel addenda that does not always reflect the wishes of the membership and has presented this recommendation without the record of the committees vote on this. I would look upon this so called recommendation of the Constitution Committee with greater respect if it were presented over the signatures of the complete committee.
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:56 PM   #429
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Art X, sec 5

Sec. 5 A quorum of the IBT shall consist of a majority of members.

I think this needs to be written with more clarity. I will assume this means the majority of IBT members. However it could mean the majority of total WBCCI members or the majority of members present.
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Art X, sec. 3

I like the electronic voting for the IBT and the nominating committee.

Did I miss a part about not charging MALs more as a penalty to get them to join a unit? Is that in there?


Sec. 3 The IBT shall define the Bylaws and policies of, and shall have full administrative authority in all matters pertaining to the WBCCI and shall exercise general control and supervision of all officers and committees.

Is there any part about expenses other than the IBT gets to vote on them? Are they reviewable in regard to money or any other subject short of an amendment that they will need to approve themselves, to make changes?

I will try to tackle the other two longer versions now...I leave the hard stuff to the lawyer types.
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A quick read yields one thought:

With a minimum of 5 Areas and an Executive Committee that 6, the balance of power is shifted in the wrong direction.

I would suggest that Recording Secretary be appointed and that the Recording Secretary and Immediate Past President NOT have a vote on the IBT.

With that change, I think this a reasonable proposal.
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The caucus does not replace the delegates meeting. In fact the term caucus IMO is a bad choice of words. It it a member discussion only as I read it.

With the elimination of the delegates meeting, two things are eliminated. The ability to amend a motion and the ability to have a candidate from the floor. These would be replaced by the "direct voting" provision.

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Members caucus replaces delegates. I would love to hear comments on how this is distinct and an advantage or disadvantage. The IP still presides however all members can take part rather than selected delegates, but I am not clear on what the part can or will be.

ARTICLE XVI
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Sec. 1 There shall be a Membersí Caucus scheduled during the summer months or at a scheduled International Rally, if needed, to address proposed amendments to the Standard of Conduct or Constitution. Discussions at the Membersí Caucus shall serve to inform members and the originators of proposed amendments about concerns, possible modifications and benefits of the proposal before a direct vote by members takes place.
Sec. 2 All WBCCI members may attend and participate in a Membersí Caucus.

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One quick question. Is it possible for the majority of delegates to accept a revised constitution and the IBT or EC or parliamentarian dismiss or delay its acceptance? I just don't want anyone to get too worked up and then be disappointed at the alter.
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The caucus does not replace the delegates meeting. In fact the term caucus IMO is a bad choice of words. It it a member discussion only as I read it.

With the elimination of the delegates meeting, two things are eliminated. The ability to amend a motion and the ability to have a candidate from the floor. These would be replaced by the "direct voting" provision.
It also seems to take away the process by which Forrest's amendment is traveling to circumvent the IBT to pass an amendment with member support only (that is if the EC would play and be honor bound by the present books) and his particular amendment would give delegates the power to review IBT decisions, correct?
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