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Old 03-04-2011, 12:46 PM   #379
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Bob, with all the provisions and changes you have made together in the revision constitution and input from 2020 and the VAC and various others, is there preapproval on the Executive Committee's or IP's part to accept the document as ready for a membership vote, both as written or as modified by delegates when presented? Or is it still subject to revision, study, or rejection by the EC's determination as current motions are subject under the our present constitution?
Norm and the EC are satisfied as we presented it, there were some changes suggested and made at the mid-winter along with the t's & i's.

It is going forward to the delegates.

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That is good to hear, for the vote or for discussion? I am confused about whether the coming delegates meeting at the International will be the time of the members' vote or the time of members' discussion and modification only, or if that has even yet been decided at this point in time.

Are you saying our delegates will have the ability to both change that new constitution and the ability to immediately pass the new constitution into existence as they pen it that very day without interference or point of order from the IBT/EC, and if there are errors they will be left to be addressed by the members in the future?
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Are you saying our delegates will have the ability to both change that new constitution and the ability to immediately pass the new constitution into existence as they pen it that very day without interference or point of order from the IBT/EC, and if there are errors they will be left to be addressed by the members in the future?
Yes that's my understanding
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Are you saying our delegates will have the ability to both change that new constitution and the ability to immediately pass the new constitution into existence as they pen it that very day without interference or point of order from the IBT/EC, and if there are errors they will be left to be addressed by the members in the future?
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Yes that's my understanding
If this is true, our Delegates are the answer.
Even if it's not, educated Delegates can still make a difference.
Please note, however, the Chair of the Revision Committee is also the Club's Parliamentarian and will be whispering sweet nothings into the President's ear all meeting long; so you'll need to be prepared.
Please read Robert's Rules beforehand.
You can do this!

Eliminate the Executive Committee
Eliminate Mandatory Travel
Eliminate the Nominating Committee
Eliminate the Ethics and Grievance Committee
Eliminate the Code of Ethics

Adopt Forrest's Motion
Adopt a No Deficit Spending Amendment

Vote No Confidence and express your Unit's dissatisfaction with any officer or committee at the Delegate's Meeting if you wish.

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Please note, however, the Chair of the Revision Committee is also the Club's Parliamentarian and will be whispering sweet nothings into the President's ear all meeting long; so you'll need to be prepared.
Please read Robert's Rules beforehand.
Yes, but remember, the IP can keep a tight grip on proceedings with the magic words, "Out of Order", and "Stand Down", and he holds the Unreviewable Authority gavel, so no one may say him nay.
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Let's Do it! Where's that document??? We gotta move.
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Yes, but remember, the IP can keep a tight grip on proceedings with the magic words, "Out of Order", and "Stand Down", and he holds the Unreviewable Authority gavel, so no one may say him nay.
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In which case, most especially, we need to forward Forrest's amendment and preserve the delegate system! But we should do that either way. I'm so confused. What's really happening?
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Let's Do it! Where's that document??? We gotta move.
I agree. Several of my posts indicate so.
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POST 358 WheelInterested, Carol asks Tim ( Buttercup) if Dona Garner and the Revision Committee asked the VAC for input as President Beu stated in a copied letter posted on this thread.? As former Denco President for year 2010 Chris Hildenbrand who is now 2nd VP of VAC, I know for a fact the Revision Committee/Dona Garner didn't contact Chris either as Denco President and now as Vac 2nd Veep for any such input.
Someone needs to ask about VAC input to current Prez Dallas Peak.,, or 1st Veep Jim Cooper.
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Yes, but remember, the IP can keep a tight grip on proceedings with the magic words, "Out of Order", and "Stand Down", and he holds the Unreviewable Authority gavel, so no one may say him nay.
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You can appeal the decision of the chair as to procedure according to Robert's Rules. Start with a Point of Order challenging the statement "out of order" and then appeal. "Stand down" as a procedural statement does not exist in the civilian world and is also subject to a Point of Order.

There are a number of "Points" that can be made and the chair must hear them at any point in the process. Point of Information to ask questions; Point of Personal Privilege when you are personally insulted—not often used, but a doozy when appropriate. These and motions that take precedence over all other business are splendid ways to interrupt an authoritarian chairperson and bring democracy back to the meeting.

Chairpersons try to ignore members of the meeting when they are trying to push through their personal agenda and therefore a group of members have to be prepared to raise points and motions over and over, simultaneously if necessary.

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You can appeal the decision of the chair as to procedure according to Robert's Rules.
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Only if the chair is honestly following the rules. Therein lies the rub.
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Only if the chair is honestly following the rules. Therein lies the rub.
Yes, if the chair tries to ignore someone with a valid procedural point or motion, that is difficult. And that is when more people have to rise and do the same thing creating a cacophony of honesty.

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Maybe those who are planning to particpate should brush up those rules.
Just in case the those in charge are willing to follow them. Hey, anythings possible.

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When can we expect to see the final proposed document???
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