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Old 03-03-2011, 09:58 AM   #323
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Don't you mere members understand? You are to "Stand Down" !!!
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:04 AM   #324
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:23 AM   #325
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I still am trying to find out what life in the WBCCI will be like after the new Constitution passes if I vote yes to it as is.

As far as your idea of 1M1V by mail or e-mail ballot to be rendered at some point in time after we are given the New Constitution amendment to vote upon (that has been worked on and accepted at the delegates meeting at the International) I think that is a good idea and viable and may address some more of the concerns I have recently read in this thread.

Again for now, my big concern is what will happen (A.D) if we do away with delegates. The rest of the changes all seem to be either good or workable and even redoable if needs be but eliminating a checks and balance (POWER) and a process to bypass the IBT/EC entirely does not seem like a good change to me. It seems to be a step backwards or, at a very generous opinion, sideways. That is the basis of my asking how things will work and having them spelled out for me. I am keeping an open mind but I do have a predeliction for delegates.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:31 AM   #326
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I can't when it does!
No one asked, but it does.
Bob,

You say MALs get to vote, and certainly I accept that was the intent of 1 member 1 vote, but then why is it necessary to specify, A MAL shall possess all the rights and privileges of the club, except the right to vote or hold office in a Unit or Area, but then not specifically state elsewhere that MALs also get to vote Internationally?

If MALs are not listed in a Unit's rollcall, then it is not possible for them to cast a vote in that Unit, or for that matter in an Area. Since it isn't possible, then why codify it?

Maybe the delegates can amend that, but if they don't, MALs won't have a vote - despite your saying to the contrary.

As for SOB, it has been asked - there is even a separate thread on that topic. The committee's revision leaves a huge loophole for members to continue with full rights - voting & holding office - even when they no longer own an Airstream, and instead own SOB.

As for which came first, our "conversation" made it clear that the Bylaws were written first. Certainly, the August Constant Contact email specifies that the committee was a Bylaws Revision. The later Constant Contact specifies that the Committee evolved into a Constitution and Bylaws Committee. These Constant Contact emails go to the Unit Presidents, and not directly to the members. If the Unit President doesn't share then the members don't get the message. The official form of communication with the membership is through the Blue Beret, and I don't recall any invitation there soliciting member input.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:35 AM   #327
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I do have a very simple question:

Why has this thing not been posted on the WBCCi website? Norm slid it across the plate on March 1st. I understand it has to have the blessing of old Don (which we know he'll do before going out to the Unit" by March 20th) but at this point, the document has been given to HQ cannot be changed. So what's the hold up? Put it out for all to see.

We are no more down the road now than we were back many months ago when this thing started in knowing the exact wording of what's in it.

This crap of asking Bob this, that and the other is just that. Until either Bob can response with the "exact" wording, this is meaningless.

We are still being treated like mushrooms. Nothing changed on March 1st.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:37 AM   #328
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When will the new constiitution be on WBCCI.org? I looked yesterday and didn't find it.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:07 AM   #329
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You say MALs get to vote, and certainly I accept that was the intent of 1 member 1 vote, but then why is it necessary to specify, A MAL shall possess all the rights and privileges of the club, except the right to vote or hold office in a Unit or Area, but then not specifically state elsewhere that MALs also get to vote Internationally?
A mal without having been a member of a unit before hand would lack the experience of how a unit operates.


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As for SOB, it has been asked - there is even a separate thread on that topic. The committee's revision leaves a huge loophole for members to continue with full rights - voting & holding office - even when they no longer own an Airstream, and instead own SOB.
It wasn't posted in this thread, I missed it.
If they own an sob as a travel trailer they would not be eligible to be a member.
Only if it is a permanent or semi-permanent location to be used by the members as a vacation facility or as a home.

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These Constant Contact emails go to the Unit Presidents, and not directly to the members. If the Unit President doesn't share then the members don't get the message. The official form of communication with the membership is through the Blue Beret, and I don't recall any invitation there soliciting member input.
You may want to check with Cindi at HQ on that point, I'm not sure.


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Old 03-03-2011, 11:10 AM   #330
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I still am trying to find out what life in the WBCCI will be like after the new Constitution passes if I vote yes to it as is.

As far as your idea of 1M1V by mail or e-mail ballot to be rendered at some point in time after we are given the New Constitution amendment to vote upon (that has been worked on and accepted at the delegates meeting at the International) I think that is a good idea and viable and may address some more of the concerns I have recently read in this thread.

Again for now, my big concern is what will happen (A.D) if we do away with delegates. The rest of the changes all seem to be either good or workable and even redoable if needs be but eliminating a checks and balance (POWER) and a process to bypass the IBT/EC entirely does not seem like a good change to me. It seems to be a step backwards or, at a very generous opinion, sideways. That is the basis of my asking how things will work and having them spelled out for me. I am keeping an open mind but I do have a predeliction for delegates.

Carol, I'm trying to reply, but I'm not following your question 100%


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Old 03-03-2011, 11:13 AM   #331
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Draw me a picture Ė I want to see what you mean.

The ideas in these threads are informing and engaging some members in advancing beneficial changes. And thatís good.

If its believed a PowerPoint presentation is helpful as well as a Webinar, than why not include a Flow Chart of the proposed change control process?

Successful organizations use Flow Charts, Org Charts and Time Lines to inform members and identify areas of concern. We can work together to define the stages, the critical paths, understand the process, and use the resulting chart to inform others.

Currently many of us still donít get the whole picture. Would someone like to accept the challenge and start roughing out a basic Flow Chart?

Perhaps collaborative work on a Flow Chart should not be part of this thread. A new thread can be created if there is interest in such a task.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:23 AM   #332
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So, if I own an SOB MOHO of which I "fulltime" in and consider it my "home" which is semi-permanent in different locations (think FL or Texas) I can still be a member, hold office and become a PIP with full voting rights and a say on how the club runs.

But the guy that owns an Airstream that does not belong to a Unit can not.

Makes since.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:32 AM   #333
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These Constant Contact emails go to the Unit Presidents, and not directly to the members. If the Unit President doesn't share then the members don't get the message. "

The quote from Forrest above points out one of the major club communications failure.

In my years of membership I can recall NO communications from the unit prez beyond an occasional non political newsletter and I can not recall any communication from the region level ever.
That is a lot of non communication by a LOT of region and unit Prez's. For all I know the info may never even get to the unit level.

Now that constant contact is available this military style chain of command really needs to go.

Perhaps the information flow is better in other regions, but it is non existent in region 6
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Would someone like to accept the challenge and start roughing out a basic Flow Chart?

Perhaps collaborative work on a Flow Chart should not be part of this thread. A new thread can be created if there is interest in such a task.
The problem with a flow chart is dependent on how you read the Constitution (how it's written vs how it's interpreted). That said, here are two different interpretations.
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File Type: pdf FLOWCHART ONLY, SECTION 2&3.pdf (258.9 KB, 30 views)
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I've created some other flowcharts, but they are not pertinent to this thread. The first page of the PDF is how the C&BC interprets the Constitution. The second page follows the process in the order it is written (thus the headings).
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Rod the above email wasn’t enough as you stated, below see the 9/17 excerpt from the Presidents Monthly Newsletter distributed via Constant Contact.

Perhaps you missed those emails?
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