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Old 02-25-2011, 03:21 PM   #197
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The delegates meeting can change anything presented, provided units send their delegates with enough freedom to act on changes from the floor.
Yes. As I recall the delegates are going to "perfect" and vote on 18 sections individually by a majority vote, and then there will be a final vote on the new constitution which will require a 2/3 majority to pass.

Anybody know how much time is scheduled for the delegates meeting?
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:36 PM   #198
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Don't hold me to this, but I think someone said they would spend "Twenty Minutes" per-section(18 sections). Which if you run the numbers, that leaves only about 13-19 seconds for input if each delegate wanted to do so. Just hope you don't get any long talkers. You are looking at six hours just to cover the sections, plus the final vote.

I would suggest sending your delegate with a pad to place between their backside and the seat. It's going to be a long day.
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:45 PM   #199
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Don't hold me to this, but I think someone said they would spend "Twenty Minutes" per-section(18 sections). Which if you run the numbers, that leaves only about 13-19 seconds for input if each delegate wanted to do so. Just hope you don't get any long talkers. You are looking at six hours just to cover the sections, plus the final vote.

I would suggest sending your delegate with a pad to place between their backside and the seat. It's going to be a long day.
Yeah, I think I saw that, too.

So, let's see. . . the Revision Committee took 4 months to come up with the revisions (including both Constitution and Bylaws, depending on who you believe), the Executive Committee will take 2 months to "dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s, and the the Delegates Meeting gets 6 hours to "perfect" all 18 sections and vote on the whole thing.

Anybody besides me see any problem with this?
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It's hard to write a proposed constitution in public, but once you have a draft, release it to public view for comments. A lot can be learned during a comment period and then the drafters can go back and see what needs fixing. This is apparently not how it's being done.

This long period of secrecy with one spokesman for the process (perhaps an unofficial one, but certainly presenting himself as one) only creates speculation, frustration and suspicion. No one should expect anything else. By the time this thing is public, many will have set their minds against it no matter what is says.

So, Bob, why don't you release the text? What can they do to you? I guess they can expel you, but I'm sure someone will rally to your defense.

Yes Nuvi, I see a problem with the procedure.

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Old 02-25-2011, 04:13 PM   #201
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If it was up to me I would have done so.

However, it's not, it's up to the IP

May have new info as to when tomorrow or Monday
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Old 02-26-2011, 07:45 PM   #202
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Sturgeon's Laws

After the public revelation of the new constitution and after its thorough scrutiny by the concerned membership and after the subsequent amendments and bylaws are eventually considered, debated and maybe resolved and maybe passed, will those final resulting documents as adapted fall under definitions of Sturgeon's Laws? Lets hope not.

1st Law: “Nothing is always absolutely so.”
2nd Law: “90% of everything is crud.” (Or something like it.)
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:59 AM   #204
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Pruning and Grafting

Pruning and grafting. So many who stepped up to volunteer with fresh ideas and energy and enthusiasm and care deeply for and about the WBCCI and the issues facing the club and how the club conducts and presents itself have been pushed out the exit door one way or another, or have settled back down to become part of the other large group of many that are content to pay their money and will remain members no matter what. And it is this remnant that grows their total percentile in the WBCCI and become our next leaders, and that's not good for the club. We have seen the pruning leadership has done and we have also witnessed the grafting in of others! This is no time to abdicate the collective power of unit assembly and initatives but rather time to regroup and meet the challenges ahead or be prepared to become another of the afore mentioned groups...
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:33 AM   #205
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Winding down

Another indication of the loss of enthusiasm is that the registration for the March Region 9 rally is only in the 40s even though the rally price has been slashed and provision made for short stays for working folks. This is about 1/3 the number for recent R9 rallies.

Region 9 has too much money in the till and the rally fee has been slashed to use up some of that money before the IRS gets interested. Looks like it will benefit a small number.
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Pruning and grafting. So many who stepped up to volunteer with fresh ideas and energy and enthusiasm and care deeply for and about the WBCCI and the issues facing the club and how the club conducts and presents itself have been pushed out the exit door one way or another, or have settled back down to become part of the other large group of many that are content to pay their money and will remain members no matter what. And it is this remnant that grows their total percentile in the WBCCI and become our next leaders, and that's not good for the club. We have seen the pruning leadership has done and we have also witnessed the grafting in of others! This is no time to abdicate the collective power of unit assembly and initatives but rather time to regroup and meet the challenges ahead or be prepared to become another of the afore mentioned groups...
I think Carol is on to something. Just like political parties, when the ranks are thinned, the apathetic and people who are even more extreme are left.

Then you get leaders who either don't care or are autocrats.

Thus, more decline.

Unlike a political party, it takes some money and effort to rejoin a club and reform it. With a party, all you have to do is vote (though it appears a lot of people don't bother even with that) and take the party back.

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For what its worth: the Doom Loop

Here is something from the book "From Good to Great". In the book the author pairs each of the great companies with one that started in similar condition and uses them for comparison. He noted the cycle below in companies that fail to thrive. He calls this the doom loop. Seem applicable to anyone else?
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Arrow Naysayers

One who frequently engages in excessive complaining, negative banter and/or a genuinely poor and downbeat attitude.

Naysayers are distinguished by their tendency to consistently view the glass half empty, make frequent one-way trips to negative town, and constantly emphasize the worst of a situation.

They have the capacity to rant and whine for hours on end about the most insignificant inconveniences.

They tend to travel solo, but have the keen ability to spread their pessimistic attitude to a group of unsuspecting bystanders and encourage others to employ their mindset.

Naysayers tend to blend in with those around them rather well, granted they have learned over the years to adapt to their surroundings.

However, when the opportunity arises, their true nature will be exposed and they will stop at nothing to exclude others or bring a general sense of negativity to any situation.

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Name calling, that should help.
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That was not directed at you necessarily, our posts crossed.
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