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Old 02-23-2011, 06:00 PM   #183
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If fuel is 4 or 5 dollars a gallon, how many will go to the Int' Rally anyway?
In 2008 when the rally was in Bozeman diesel fuel was $4.50 to $5.00 a gallon.
Still 800 went to the international. We traveled 7000 miles that summer.

in 2010, when fuel was quite a bit cheaper only 725 or so went to Gillette.
The difference? Maybe no 3 amp parking so the cost of the rally went up by $200..
I will pay the price for fuel, but I will NOT pay $500 for the international even if it is next door to me
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:16 PM   #184
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Wow,

I was so glad to see Norm informed the membership about all the goings on with the planned re-write of the WBCCI Constitution in the March BB and how all that information would be released to general membership going forward to give us "general members" plenty of time to read, understand and ask questions to the committee and others who played a roll in writing it. I take it, when the document is finally released, it will include all of those members email, home and cell phone numbers so we can quickly get a response with our questions or should we take it, it will take just as long to get answers to our questions as it has just to get a copy of the thing?

Thanks for all the heads up info Norm.

NOT!!! For that matter, not even a single word from what I saw in the March Blue Beret (If I am wrong, I'm sorry and will stand corrected)

Once again the IBT/EC7 has a chance to do the right thing, instead, we once again are being treated like mushrooms. You do know how you grow mushrooms, don't you?
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:45 PM   #185
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For that matter, not even a single word from what I saw in the March Blue Beret (If I am wrong, I'm sorry and will stand corrected)
Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I thought I would wait until we received the paper copy--the online edition is hard for me to read--but I didn't see a single word about it either.

I have a growing feeling of unreality about this whole constitution business. I would suppose that if the executive committee were serious about revising the constitution, they would have been communicating with the members the whole time, trying to build a consensus for what they are proposing. Instead, silence.

The Constitution and Bylaws Revision Committee has already accomplished its first objective of bringing and end to the lawsuit. Maybe the rest is all a throw-away.

And, of course--the new constitution is supposed to be unveiled on April Fool's Day. . .
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:23 AM   #186
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I am starting to wonder if the thing will ever see the light of day. From the very beginning,the whole process has been underplayed in official communications, and now that the lawsuit has completely fallen through, its hard to see what leverage would be pushing the process forward. I predict one of the following:
  • No changes are offered. Insert rationalization here- its sure to be entertaining.
  • Changes offered, but rewritten as to be unacceptable to any reasonable person, thus allowing a "hey, we tried but the trouble makers blocked it" argument.
  • Changes offered and rewritten so that no real reform happens and the powers that be come out with even less accountability.
All of the above assumes that what the committee did produce before turning it over to the IP was a good document. However, given how this has played out to date, that assumption is riddled with doubt to start with.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:49 AM   #187
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Ok, so there are few people here trying to derail the effort, same folks that will argue the sky is blue.

Just the nature of a forum

I predict it will stay on track, further it will pass with a few amendments at the delegates meeting.

You have nothing what so ever to base your doubts upon.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:53 AM   #188
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You have nothing what so ever to base your doubts upon.
But indeed I do: past behavior, which any psychologist will tell you is the best predictor of future behavior. Having said that, I would be delighted to be proven wrong.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:10 AM   #189
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I believe the IP and Parliamentarian when they discuss an open process in DuQuoin. It doesn't matter much what the Amendment says, if the delegates do their job.

In your unit business meetings, get the pulse of your membership. Ask for the authority to vote their wishes, as you understand them. Keep taking input through the delegates meeting (read texts and e-mails).

If we want change, it's up to us. Don't blame some conspiracy, persuade your fellow members to push for the right changes.

It won't be perfect, but this is an opportunity we haven't had before.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:13 AM   #190
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Almost forgot, share your proposed changes here - BEFORE the meeting. That way we can understand them better when proposed.

It takes a simple majority to revise the amendment but 2/3 to approve!
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:24 AM   #191
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Ok, so there are few people here trying to derail the effort, same folks that will argue the sky is blue.


You have nothing what so ever to base your doubts upon.
But the sky is grey today—yesterday it was blue.

As for the 2nd quoted statement, Rodney has it right, past behavior by the leaders surely indicate skepticism is well deserved.

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Ok, so there are few people here trying to derail the effort, same folks that will argue the sky is blue.
OKAY, I can't help myself. What color are YOU suggesting the sky is?
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:55 PM   #193
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I believe the IP and Parliamentarian when they discuss an open process in DuQuoin. It doesn't matter much what the Amendment says, if the delegates do their job.

In your unit business meetings, get the pulse of your membership. Ask for the authority to vote their wishes, as you understand them. Keep taking input through the delegates meeting (read texts and e-mails).

If we want change, it's up to us. Don't blame some conspiracy, persuade your fellow members to push for the right changes.

It won't be perfect, but this is an opportunity we haven't had before.
Agree


So many have asked for changes in this club for years, now that the opportunity is in front of them they question it before it is even read by them.
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So many have asked for changes in this club for years, now that the opportunity is in front of them they question it before it is even read by them.
Because the process is SHADY. Not opening it up to discussion then delaying sharing the content of proposal is shady. Especially in light of club history. Only a fool would not question this pig in a poke.
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Because the process is SHADY. Not opening it up to discussion then delaying sharing the content of proposal is shady. Especially in light of club history. Only a fool would not question this pig in a poke.
I agree wholeheartedly. Regardless of any ongoing tuning, it would be only fair to open the kimono and allow the members to see what is coming.

I can't see the anointed few giving up any of their perks and I can't see that same few not slipping something in to serve the handful of their number that are pining for white box motor homes with four slideouts.
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The delegates meeting can change anything presented, provided units send their delegates with enough freedom to act on changes from the floor.
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