View Poll Results: Do you support the WBCCI's current plans to rebadge an SOB Class "A" motor home as an
Yes, I do support this. 26 10.57%
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:02 PM   #29
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You are correct on both counts. There will be a small % of the members who feel the pitch that IBT is making (these poor folks will be KICKED out of the club if we don't...) is valid and vote for it but the rest will see for what it really is.

They had a program whereby the dealers were giving away a free year with purchase but that was cancelled. Apparently, the loss rate was high with greater than 60% not renewing after the first year and probably a high percebntage not renewing after the second.

But picture this... We let the mandalay's in and 1000 members suddenly join the club driving that big box. What impression will the trailer buyers have when all they see is a sea of boxes. They will think that it is a Class "A" club and be likely to feel like it is not the club for them.

I am sure some class "A" owners will take offense to the following statement but here goes: There is a class (pun intended) distinction between the trailer owners and the big old class "A" owners. I felt it at the International in Salem and I know others have. I am a vintage owner so I don't care much for the the big units. Not that I can't afford it because I certainly could. I saw only Class "A" MOHO's near the hall and us vintage owners were out in the boonies. By nature of the structure inf the International it certainly does seem that a sort of preferential treatment is given to these folks and I don't see that as being good for the club. I would rather see things mixed up a little - but that will not happen.

Remember - it is likely that for the next 10+ years the president and higher up officers of the club will be Class "A" owners. There will be a very low percentage of trailer owners (meaning that is ALL they own) holding higher offices.
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:23 PM   #30
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I would think that what they are trying to do will require a change to the constitution of the club and require a 2/3's vote of the membership. Has anyone seen a draft of the change?
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:31 PM   #31
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Well yes it would. In fact it exactly what they are talking about. They have 2 items that will need to be passed.
The Class "A" Study Committee recommend to revise the WBCCI constitution to include Fourwinds (Mandalay) and/or Damon class "A" Motorhomes. The "manufactured by Airstream" requirement will also need to be revised to include "Airstream Edition Class "A" motorhomes manufactured by THOR."
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:44 PM   #32
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Why doesn't Thor just sell Airstream stickers that are manufactured in Jackson Center and let everybody join. NOT!

Bob- What a great idea! And since my company prints custom labels and decals everyone can place their orders with me. At least one of us will get something out of this. Lets see how many forum members times $2.50 per sticker and you need two of them?
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:46 PM   #33
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Yea, except you will need a license agreement to do that. Well, if these forums couldn't get that easily you won't either.
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Old 01-19-2007, 03:59 PM   #34
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Here is the amendment hot off of the WBCCI Forums....

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The Wally Byam Club International, Inc. Board of Trustees voted unanimously on Friday, Jan. 19, that owners of Class A motorhomes manufactured by Four Winds International Division of Thor Industries. Inc. and labeled on the coach “Airstream Edition” will be eligible to remain or become WBCCI members.
The entire motion on which the board voted 18-0 was:
“I move that the International Board of Trustees bring forth to the WBCCI delegates at the June, 2007, Delegates Meeting to amend the WBCCI International Constitution to include the words after “manufactured by Airstream, Inc.” as follows: “as well as the Class A motorhomes manufactured by the Four Winds International Division of Thor Industries, Inc. The Class A models of Four Winds motorhomes will be labeled “Airstream Edition” at their respective factory or by an authorized dealership in order to make their owners eligible to remain or become WBCCI members.”
The original motion, made by Region 12 President Jim Emlinger, limited eligibility for WBCCI membership to owner of Four Winds models Mandalay, Presidio, Valencia, Hurricane, Windsport and Magellan, which are both diesel and gas models and range in length from 30 feet to 40 feet.
The original motion was amended by Region One President Robert Thompson to eliminate the reference to Four Winds models and include all Class A motorhomes manufactured by Four Winds. Thompson said that in the future Four Winds could change model names and this would result in having to have another constitutional amendment. Thompson’s amendment also passed by a unanimous vote.
The rationale Emlinger provided with his motion stated:
“Airstream, Inc. (beginning in 1979) and their Argosy Division (beginning in 1974) have made thousands of Class A Motorhomes, both gas and diesel, which have all been accepted into the Airstream RV Owners Association. However, Aistream, Inc., has made the final decision to exit the Class A motorhome business. This will mean that the significant number of WBCCI members, who currently choose to own Class A motorhomes, will need to replace them, some sooner than others. Presently this will force those current members , who choose to own motorhomes, to leave WBCCI when they purchase a new motorhome. There are also WBCCI members who will need and want to own motorhomes, some for health reasons, who will also be forced out.
“WBCCI has already begun to lose membership, due to the lack of motorhome availability, and the effect of not acting on this motion will eventually cause most, if not all, units of WBCCI to lose a significant number of members. While acceptance of this amendment will make it possible for these current members to remain among their friends and continue their way of life that was so strongly promoted by Wally Byam, Additionally, this proposed change should not only help with membership retention, but also open up more opportunities for new members once “Airstream Editions” are available at Four Winds dealerships.
“The intent of this amendment is restricted to Class A motorhome models only, since Airstream, Inc., continues to build smaller motorhomes. This motion will not include trailers of any type.”
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:53 PM   #35
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:07 PM   #36
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Hold on one second....the Motorhomes made in Jackson Center are in fact built at Jackson Center and having been to the factory 3x, and have taken the tour for nearly a week while there for service, I saw the whole process of building the panels, etc, and actually watched them build one out for that week. There was a heck of a lot of building that was done by Airstream Factory Employees. They do order components and it's true the don't make the fiberglass from scratch, but the do a considerable bit more than what as been suggested in this thread. The 3 ring binder in the trailer manual is the same as it sounds with the MoHos...half if it being component manuals (fridge, A/C, heater, faucets, etc).

I also don't agree that an Airstream made anywhere is an Airstream, is a valid point if in fact the product being made is by a sister company of the parent, Thor. We're not talking cars here, we're talking an American icon. Yes, Airstreams were made in California, but there were made by the Airstream company there, not by the Itasca or Winnebego and labeled Airstream as is being suggested.

In the end, the numbers on the poll don't lie. Only a few select folks for whatever reason think this is a good idea....the majority don't...and if this is allowed, IMHO, it will only further blur the lines of an already problematic club that needs to standardize and regroup rather than add less distinction. No matter what I personally feel about the box Airstreams made at Jackson Center, by Airstream Factory Employees, serviced by Airstream dealers, it's still an Airstream in my book. Do I wish they handn't made boxes? Sure, I think it was a mistake, but I think it would be an even greater mistake to dilute the brand as is being suggested.

Now add to the fact that if what I heard was correct, Airstream dealers won't even support these, if that's true, how can one be happy in an Airstream club, cherish the heritage, but convienently throw all that heritage out the window to appease a select few?
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As support for the Four Winds MoHo motion, the rationale states in part:

“Airstream, Inc. (beginning in 1979) and their Argosy Division (beginning in 1974) have made thousands of Class A Motorhomes, both gas and diesel, which have all been accepted into the Airstream RV Owners Association.

What club is that? Doesn't the IBT even know the name of the club for which they serve as Trustees??!!

Now its becoming clear why the IBT wanted to jettison Wally Byam last year -- he had no connection with the proposed new alternate RV supplier, Four Winds. Why don't they skip the baby steps, rebadge the WBCCI as the Thor RV Owners Association, and throw the doors wide open? That would give them plenty more people to drive away. Just think of the numbers!
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:47 PM   #39
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I'm with you Leo. At first I thought your rants were a bit over the top, but after seeing the news coming out of Perry today I am floored at the bold notions of these SOB lovin rascals. Infiltration of multiple SOB's is just too much to consider.

This isn't just about a Class A solution for a few who require that convenience. This has fast become an assault of white box SOB's on our club which was built around one thing - aluminum Airstream trailers.

This will be put to vote by the entire member base - correct? We need to all start communicating this issue at the Unit level now. This is gonna get ugly, that's for sure. I think the name change fight of last year will pale in comparison.

I'm glad I signed up for Perry. I want to witness the blood bath first hand.

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I'm with you Leo. At first I thought your rants were a bit over the top, but after seeing the news coming out of Perry today I am floored at the bold notions of these SOB lovin rascals. Infiltration of multiple SOB's is just too much to consider.

This isn't just about a Class A solution for a few who require that convenience. This has fast become an assault of white box SOB's on our club which was built around one thing - aluminum Airstream trailers.

This will be put to vote by the entire member base - correct? We need to all start communicating this issue at the Unit level now. This is gonna get ugly, that's for sure. I think the name change fight of last year will pale in comparison.

I'm glad I signed up for Perry. I want to witness the blood bath first hand.

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Leo is over the top, but as Henry Kissinger said "even paranoids have enemies"

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Another potential nail in the coffin

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I'm with you Leo. At first I thought your rants were a bit over the top, but after seeing the news coming out of Perry today I am floored at the bold notions of these SOB lovin rascals. Infiltration of multiple SOB's is just too much to consider.

This isn't just about a Class A solution for a few who require that convenience. This has fast become an assault of white box SOB's on our club which was built around one thing - aluminum Airstream trailers.

This will be put to vote by the entire member base - correct? We need to all start communicating this issue at the Unit level now. This is gonna get ugly, that's for sure. I think the name change fight of last year will pale in comparison.

I'm glad I signed up for Perry. I want to witness the blood bath first hand.

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I find it hard to believe that the club is embroiled in another controversy so close on the heals of the name change issue.Maybe someone should tell the IBT that it was voted down last year.They either think it passed or are going against the membership and calling our club the Airstream RV Owners Association anyway...I don't think so.
Here's an idea.The IBT can call their club by that name and they can give Wally's name to us.
There are a lot of fantastic people in this organization.It would be great if everyone had a common goal...get out travelling,meeting new friends and camping in your "Airstream".
It will be a bloodbath in Perry and another challenge for the membership...those that are left that is.
Maybe this is what the club has to do.Be run into the ground and like the Phoenix rise again from the ashes.
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I concur that Airstream MOHOs have been historically "manufactured" by AS.
My point was that all things evolve in some manner and it seems that all products made by Americans or the initial party, were their own in the beginning only to come to a delta in a flowing river and have to choose a direction. Do I stay afloat and maybe even grow or stay here in my spring fed little creek holding on to a tree limb that will sooner or later rot away or wane under the stress of the flowing water.
Sooner or later, folks have to (sometimes unwillingly) let go of thier ideals for change.
Many auto manufacturers make many models at a plant. I see Thor as a Chevrolet or Ford who now makes another model, Airstream.
I understand that up till now Airstream stood tall and sovereign but it has come to pass, that they are no longer a solo act. They too have done what so many other American flagships have done, joined the crowd.
Sad but true, get over it.
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