View Poll Results: Do you support the WBCCI's current plans to rebadge an SOB Class "A" motor home as an
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:42 PM   #15
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Oh well, I thought this year we'd be able to work on building membership. But now it looks like we will be mobilizing the masses to defeat this proposal.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:45 PM   #16
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Wait, they are working on building membership - Class "A" membership.

Funny that AS trailers are selling like hot cakes and despite being handed a membership for FREE, you can't keep these folks in the club.

Yet, with all of that, the IBT are trying to keep a few hundred class "A" owners in the club, while the rest of us drift away in great disappointment.....
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:10 PM   #17
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Oh crap, I have a motor Home and Trailers........ I'm so confused

Kidding, sorry couldn't resit
There there now, balrgn, no need to worry. You have both motorhome and trailers, but not an identity crisis. Yours are all manufactured by Airstream, remember?


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Old 01-18-2007, 05:30 PM   #18
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Why would anyone waste time watching humorous but fictional episodes on a TV sitcom when they can tune in here to the real absurdities of the WBCCI?
no laugh track?

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Old 01-18-2007, 05:36 PM   #19
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OTOH....

how are these current model A/S motorhomes any different? ok...they're "manufactured" by airstream...but c'mon, they're not anything like an airstream. its just a big white box that has the word "Airstream" painted on the outside. does it really matter what factory it comes out of?

The original MHs didn't evey SAY airstream on 'em. but they were still "like" an airstream...
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:53 PM   #20
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all argosy owners circle the wagons either trailors or moho's ..them rable rouser airstreamers are at it again.we are having a identity crisus here..I was told by one streamer that argosy' aren't air streams. I'm confused
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:19 PM   #21
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Well, well, well.

I have wanted an A/S for years, and eventhough it is still at the dealer I am the owner of a Minuet 6 Metre. Can't wait to get it here in the driveway and start to work. Now what club do I join? WBCCI? The VAC group are great in Colorado and I would really like to join in the fun, but that means I have to join up with WBCCI first. If the object is a Caravan Club then I say let anybody join regardless of product. Safety in numbers and lets all have a good time. If the object is an A/S club then I say, only A/S produced product. As much as I would like to associate with the local VAC group and will miss their company, I think I will join Escapees or Good Sam while I wait to see what happens to WBCCI. At any rate there is a great group right here and AIR and looks like the goal is to Rally and just have fun while we keep these great trailers and MOHO's on the road.

BTW I say no to the name change!!! But then I am not a member of WBCCI so it counts not.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:31 PM   #22
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Why doesn't Thor just sell Airstream stickers that are manufactured in Jackson Center and let everybody join. NOT!
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Old 01-18-2007, 09:27 PM   #23
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Why would anyone waste time watching humorous but fictional episodes on a TV sitcom when they can tune in here to the real absurdities of the WBCCI?
Because sitcoms can be funny. This is just depressing.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:48 PM   #24
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A news breaker at another publicly open forum (not SaveWally.org) disclosed an Airstream Perk, supposedly confirmed by an International Past President (which I can not confirm) that at some level International Officers have the opportunity to get a brand new loaner vehicle to do the clubs business for one year and then get to buy that same 'used' RV at a heavy discount in the second year. I HAVE NO WAY OF BACKING THAT STORY UP SO TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, but it was voluntarily posted by someone on another open WBCCI forum. It was portrayed as being pretty much common knowledge__
65GT,

How can you pull your punches here. The way the information about this program was presented to me (and then you) by the past International President is the REAL STORY - not the perk itself. Let me again share how it was explained to me.

Back in the early '90's (92-93?) a year or two before my friend became the Intl Pres, a vote came to the floor at International on whether WBCCI would recognize the new Airstream B Van owners for membership in the club. The voting body that first year shot down the B Van and chose not to recognize ownership of it as being worthy of WBCCI membership. Good for them.

As a way of spanking the club officers for them not pushing through the B Van, Airstream (Thor) took away the perk of using a new Airstream product of choice, at no cost, during an officers tenure in office. Coincidently, this perk was taken away just after the vote and just prior to my friend taking office as Intl Pres.

For whatever reason - the B Van vote passed the very next year. I don't know if AS ever reinstated the perk - I believe he said they did at some point. Please understand this story was shared with me at Happy Hour. I apologize for being fuzzy on this factoid.

Leo, the cruxted of this story is how AS threw their weight around to spank and potentially influence WBCCI officers. Not the perk itself.

Damn, if Airstream offered this program to Unit officers, would you take advantage of an awesome deal? I know I would, and it would be that dang 75th Winnick edition. But I'd have them add a slide out to it...kidding!

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Old 01-19-2007, 08:15 AM   #25
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I don’t get it.

All this Rant about Mfg and locations etc.

I don’t care where an AS is mfg. Matter of fact AS’s have not always been mfg. at JC.
And as for AS MH’s, very little, if any, of the unit is made by AS.
The MH’s are merely second or third party items accessorized by AS with items that are not even made by AS.
MH’s are really Chevrolets, Ford, Freightliner etc. They even have VIN by those parties.
There was much expectation of the new “Classic” which was collaboration with some company other than AS. The Base Camp is a Nissan concept. The Westfalia, a Mercedes painted silver and badged as an AS. The notorious B-190, not even an Airstream, simply a Ford fitted with products not made by AS and painted silver, badged as an AS. That unit may even be AS’s best seller as for “MH’s”.
Oh and how about that Fifth wheel. What was it called? Hmmm…. Oh, Integrity I think it was???????? Made by Airstream, I think……but not named AS?
I recall the concern about the price of the new Classic MH, which did not come to fruition. I bet if it were made in China and priced 25% less, people would still buy it and say things like, “well the quality is better in China, hell anybodies quality is probably better than Jack Ctr.” Many of the same people here griping about this subject are the same people that participated in the slam session about quality in Jacks Ctr.
Items made by others and called “my own” is common, it is the American way. It all comes down to the all mighty buck.
Auto manufactures have been doing it for years. We still line up to buy Fords that are manufactured by Mazda, Mitsubishi, or whoever makes it these days.
If you don’t believe that, look at some of the things Americans covet the most and claim as their own. Baseball, practically half of the players are from foreign countries that truly hold baseball high in their regard, maybe even higher than Americans. I have witnessed the Japanese and let me tell you, we are not even baseball fans by their standards.
And baseball has had many years of world wide exposure, how about that silly little sport of go fast turn left? You got it, NASCAR. Guess who is joining the ranks of that truly American sport, Toyota. I wonder how many NASCAR fans are burning their NASCAR paraphernalia or rioting and picketing the gates of the racetracks. Zip! Nada!

If you want a real eye opener, simply open any AS Owners manual, the silver three ring binder that comes with every MH. Only approximately 25% of the publication is Airstream, the rest is about included products made by some one other than AS.
And if you call Jack. Ctr. with maintenance concerns, you will get “Don’t ask us, we didn’t make it” I bet you will be directed to the real manufacturer. They may even have a toll free number that they will share with you.

And last but not least, of my American idealism bashing, I own two Harley Davidsons.
Imagine my dismay when I was gifted with a tool kit with the HD emblem emblazoned on the pouch, only to discover that every piece of the kit was made in China. And literally EVERY part I have ever purchased for the bikes was made in a foreign land.
Now if HD is not American what is?
By the way, I own a Classic, and I have owned a Landyacht. I can tell you from experience, for the most part, neither on of them were made by folks in Jackson Center, The units were however assembled in Jacks Ctr, but hey…….Its an Airstream.
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I mean we'd hate to try and figure out why the name change keeps coming up. Why Thor gets an official brass ring for "The Official SOB of the WBCCI."


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I can say that at the MOHO meeting one of the participants DID mention that they were concerned of what would be the result if the MOHO motion did not pass. I think that there are a few people who understand 2 things:
Thor does support the WBCCI in the way of posting advertising and other things which financially benefit the group. In fact one participant even mentioned just how much good THOR DID do for WBCCI. The suggestion possibly being that without that support WBCCI will be hurting even more.
Two - We are being reminded in a round-about way that we have a responsibility to THOR for all they have done for us.

THIS scares me. Is this what is driving this ship?

One final thought... Why are we doing for one group of members what was never done for ANY other member ever in the history of the WBCCI? When AS discontinued any model, what were the stranded members doing for that? I am a little perturbed that so much effort is going this direction when the rest of the membership of the club is suffering such membership loss. Do the needs of the few so greatly outweigh the needs of the many?
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:45 AM   #27
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Let me see if I have this right. rickandsandi thinks that because I have a motorhome I feel that I am better than others. I have been a member of WBCCI for 10 years and have never been told that I am an elitist. Being a retired truck-driver from Ky.just the opposite. I think that hurtfull in-general comments will do more to destroy this club than allowing Mandalay MH in.
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Sorry it was a general remark of what I have seen at WBCCI rallies. There are exceptions to every rule and I am sure you are one of them.
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Wait, they are working on building membership - Class "A" membership.

Funny that AS trailers are selling like hot cakes and despite being handed a membership for FREE, you can't keep these folks in the club.

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I was told they stopped doing that over a year ago. I paid for my first year's dues.

I think they would get more members by giving away the first year than allowing SOB's to join.

I have also noticed that the only WBCCI members in favor of allowing SOB's to join are those that have Land Yachts or big square boxes. I guess those are Land Yachts, too?
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