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Old 04-05-2013, 04:04 PM   #113
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Yes, I know a good one who is rising through the ranks, but how many reformers are doing that and will they make it?

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Old 04-05-2013, 08:19 PM   #114
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Gene....quite a few at many different levels.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:54 AM   #115
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Monah, that's good. How long will it take to turn the ship around? Will is happen in time? I doubt anyone has a good answer, but it would be nice to know the future.

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Old 04-07-2013, 12:57 PM   #116
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Despite what the president's (Captain's) best intentions, it is (was) the IBT's (rudder's
failure) short sightedness that is preventing (prevented) the club (Titanic) from turning around and missing the wrecking of a once magnificent club (ship).
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:02 PM   #117
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My big concern is that There is little to no information anywhere about this most important issue published anywhere.
For example:
  • There is no survey done to show what the members feel about this issue
  • There is no impact assessment that shows how this could be a benefit or detriment to the club
  • No marketing survey to show how many members will leave the club if this passes
  • No indication whatsoever to show who even wants to get a new THOR SOB and stay in the club
  • No guess as to how many members will just leave as opposed to how many members will stay with their new SOB THOR rig
  • No indication of one single member who will take advantage of this opportunity if it passes at all - not one name.
In short - how could anybody support this with no information to back up the need to do this at all.


If you are in a unit - who has presented you with the information about the vote? The package is out there and published in the WBCCI site. Who is presenting it to your unit?
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:08 PM   #118
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Tim,

I agree with your concerns.

My unit president sent an email to all members requesting their opinion of the motion and how he should vote at the delegates meeting.

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My big concern is that There is little to no information anywhere about this most important issue published anywhere.
For example:
  • There is no survey done to show what the members feel about this issue
  • There is no impact assessment that shows how this could be a benefit or detriment to the club
  • No marketing survey to show how many members will leave the club if this passes
  • No indication whatsoever to show who even wants to get a new THOR SOB and stay in the club
  • No guess as to how many members will just leave as opposed to how many members will stay with their new SOB THOR rig
  • No indication of one single member who will take advantage of this opportunity if it passes at all - not one name.
In short - how could anybody support this with no information to back up the need to do this at all.


If you are in a unit - who has presented you with the information about the vote? The package is out there and published in the WBCCI site. Who is presenting it to your unit?
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:18 AM   #119
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If you are in a unit - who has presented you with the information about the vote? The package is out there and published in the WBCCI site. Who is presenting it to your unit?
As you know, WBCCI is a strongly hierarchical organization in which information is supposed to percolate down the "chain of command". This stuff was sent to the unit presidents by snail mail (around April 1) and it's up to them to pass the word to the members.

Communications in our unit are good, and this will be voted on at the spring business meeting end of April. Information, including a ballot which can be sent in by mail, has been distributed in the latest unit newsletter, which is on the web:

http://wisc.wbcci.net/files/2013/04/...r_Bulletin.pdf

Our unit votes proportionally at the Delegates Meeting. When essentially the same motion was voted on last year, our unit voted 20% in favor, 80% opposed. I doubt the results will be much different this year.
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:27 AM   #120
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What if Thor sells Airstream. None of the original owners that brought Airstream are around, Thor has moved it's operations to Elkhart, Indiana and Thor could make big money in the sale.
Maybe Matthew McConaughey and some of his movie star Airstream friends would be interested, he is so dreamy.
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Old 04-10-2013, 08:22 AM   #121
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I don't see that happening since Airstream has been and is WAY too profitable for them. It's a cash cow riding high.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:16 AM   #122
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We can't depend on that. The OR of Thor is still alive and maybe thinking this is the time to sell,or any time down the road, when Airstream is at the top. Sell, go buy an island to retire on. No more business, just golf.
We are changing our constitution for Thor and we have in place the solution, co-ownership of an Airstream. Just own an Airstream with someone and make your own reservations with your SOB at the same campground as the group. We have members doing this now. Going to International, just stay in the Motel, many have been doing this for years. Or you could camp in a campground down the road.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:12 PM   #123
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I know what your saying, but remember, the two of us aren't in favor of allowing THOR coaches or any other into WBCCI, that's what FMCA, Esacpees, and Good SAM are for. We have achieved our 20th year in WBCCI, but will quit it in an instant if non- airstream MOHO's are allowed. As you may know, we have other RV's other than Airstreams, and we belong to other RV Clubs. The Prevost Club doesn't allow plastic motorhomes to join. The Beaver Ambassador Club we quit ( our bus was converted by Beaver Coach) when they voted a Constitutional change to allow non-Beaver Coaches to join. The grind of this issue in WBCCI is taking a toll, and there is the possibility we will disappear just because there is no "final end" to this debate. (Delegates Meeting, Filibuster, anyone?
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:54 PM   #124
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When did Beaver allow "Other Quality Brands" into the club? And what was the result of that relaxation of the membership requirements? They say that they have 1000 members now. What was it a few years ago before the change?
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:18 PM   #125
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We are changing our constitution for Thor. . .
I'll believe it when I see it. (And if it did come to pass, leave the WBCCI.)

But I'm not losing any sleep over this issue. It take a 2/3 majority of the members represented at the Delegates Meeting to amend the constitution, and the various motor home amendments have never gotten even 1/3.
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #126
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This Contitutional change for Beaver Club was last year. A BAC member in good standing was allowed to invite/sponsor one non BAC coach into the BAC. Numbers of sponsored non members was not to exceed 10% of total BAC members in a given calender year. I don't know how this has worked out since we quit and no longer visit the Beaver Ambassador Club website. You say they give a total membership of 1000, seems that was what it was before we quit. So that means 10 NON Beaver Coach owners could be recruited into the BAC . I could go and look in one of our past membership directories from 2009-2011 and count members This idea was brought forth to the BAC since the parent company of Beaver Coach, MONACO CORP went went belly up, was sold iin bits to NAVISTAR, and they are not considering re-enlivening the BEAVER Marque. So there are no more new Beaver Coaches or new member/owners to recriut. Unlike Airstreams where Airstream is selling everything they make, just no Class A. I really think this MOHO issue rearing its UGLY head every year is a BIG TURNOFF, for anyone going to any International including Huron which the registration count right now is 311 Airstreams, with only 25 indicating VAC parking.
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