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Old 04-04-2013, 01:53 PM   #99
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From where is the push coming? As a newer member to WBCCI, I thought this organization was all about Airstreams ... there are lots of other options for SOB, MOHO and AS to mix together in different clubs.

We find the annual dues to be questionable as to value ... but have heard the rumors that some folks get their travel expenses paid ... is that why the dues are so high. It can't be for the magazine production costs and most of the WBCCI events which we have attended are self-supporting financially.

It seems like many of the WBCCI staff are right at the mother ship ... we have gotten great tips and advice from this forum; the Blue Beret - not so much.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:44 PM   #100
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As a member, you can request a copy of the club's financial statements from Cindy Reed in Jackson Center. I do not feel that it is appropriate to discuss the financial details of the club on an open forum.

Although the club's headquarters are in Jackson Center, they are not at the Airstream plant but, I believe, on the opposite end of town, not a large town.

An earlier post of mine discussed the travel reimbursements in a general manner and where I think the push for this motion is located.

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From where is the push coming? As a newer member to WBCCI, I thought this organization was all about Airstreams ... there are lots of other options for SOB, MOHO and AS to mix together in different clubs.

We find the annual dues to be questionable as to value ... but have heard the rumors that some folks get their travel expenses paid ... is that why the dues are so high. It can't be for the magazine production costs and most of the WBCCI events which we have attended are self-supporting financially.

It seems like many of the WBCCI staff are right at the mother ship ... we have gotten great tips and advice from this forum; the Blue Beret - not so much.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:50 PM   #101
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We find the annual dues to be questionable as to value ... but have heard the rumors that some folks get their travel expenses paid ... is that why the dues are so high. It can't be for the magazine production costs and most of the WBCCI events which we have attended are self-supporting financially.
Compared to professional non-profit organizations I've belonged to (Construction Specifications Institute, American Society of Military Engineers, etc.) the WBCCI dues are actually reasonable.

Some WBCCI members do get reimbursed for travel expenses, but those are club officers, attending official club functions that they're obligated to attend by virtue of their positions. Supposedly. There is some room for abuse because some of the people who are responsible for determining who gets paid for what are also some of the same people who get paid. The financial disbursement rules do need more checks and balances built in. Overall, though, I believe that it costs club officers more than they're reimbursed. For example, they're paid travel expenses to get to an event, but not to get home from the event. Still, they're on the gravy train compared to the rank-and-file members attending the same events with no reimbursement at all…
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:32 PM   #102
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Whether officers and board members of a nonprofit get reimbursed for their expenses is always a difficult question. Some boards expect them to donate time and money in the form of no reimbursements and also contribute money to the organization.

Sometimes this only means wealthy people can serve and they usually have little idea how the rest of the people live.

So I think there should be reasonable reimbursement for those who can't afford the expenses—this enables middle class people to serve and give their viewpoints. How to determine who can afford it and who can't can be a delicate question and may be better left to the officers and directors to each decide for themselves.

But even a badly run organization takes a lot of time and some money demands from the leadership. That's one reason leaders of many organizations appear to be concentrated among people who are retired and have a solid retirement income—military pensions for officers are very good and that is why they are so prominent among this leadership.

And it is a good idea for leaders to visit various units and their rallies so they can get feedback. Of course, those leaders do not seem to listen to the feedback or they aren't being offered any. If a leader visits a unit, why not have a question period at a rally where members can ask about the things they say on the Forum?

Hold them accountable.

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Gene, I agree with you 100 percent. The renibursment the officers get allows members to take office that might not otherwise as it helps pays part of the fuel bill to be within their travel budget. And I bet those region officers and International officers are the best we have and we should support them. If I remember, they said that $6.00 from every membership goes to officer reimbursement. To me that is more than worth it to talk eye to eye with my region and International officers .
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Gene, I agree with you 100 percent. The renibursment the officers get allows members to take office that might not otherwise as it helps pays part of the fuel bill to be within their travel budget. And I bet those region officers and International officers are the best we have and we should support them. If I remember, they said that $6.00 from every membership goes to officer reimbursement. To me that is more than worth it to talk eye to eye with my region and International officers .
Thanks for agreeing with me regarding that some reimbursement seems fair, but I neither said that the system the club has is proper and not, especially, that the officers are worthy of support. I suppose they are the "best we have" because they are what you have, but I doubt better ones could not be found.

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Gene...trust me, they're out there
The ones we have now are too far "out there" as the MoHo amendment amply demonstrates. The new crop needs to be brough "in here" from "out there" before the present crop can indoctrinate them into the old ways.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:29 PM   #111
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Gene...trust me, they're out there
I agree that there are some that are comin' up thru the ranks. I have met them, like and respect them.

The question is.......will they be a little too late and the WBCCI a little too gone?


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