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Old 03-30-2013, 10:06 PM   #57
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The WBCCI website has a banner saying "The AIRSTREAM Owners Association". You can't get much clearer than that. If you want to belong to the Club, you need to own an Airstream. It has been that way since about 1957 when we first joined.

I bought a 1963 Airstream and restored it so that I could again join the WBCCI. I don't want to belong to a general RV Club that allows multiple brands. I don't even like having the newer Airstream motorhomes that look like a generic box RV in the Club. They do nothing to promote the Airstream brand.

I am amused by the logic that some of the members are getting too old to tow an Airstream. So........ it is safer to put them behind the wheel of a bus weighing 20 tons????

Let's keep the WBCCI all Airstream! If the motorhome folks gain control of the WBCCI, then I will be happy to drop out.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:18 AM   #58
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Bill & Paul, I agree, not near as much fun, but if it does pass I will bet money they will lose 1/2 of the membership at least, whole units will say forget it. I'm hoping clubs that vote no will also give the finacial impact of how many of their members will quit if it passes. No finacial impact they say.
I'm glad Chief reported on the non Airstream WB unit, it makes us realize there are member of our club that should just belong to the Good Sam Club and they could save some money.
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I don't even like having the newer Airstream motorhomes that look like a generic box RV in the Club. They do nothing to promote the Airstream brand.
As the owner of one of those "generic box" Airstream Interstates, given how well they sell, I believe they promote the Airstream brand just fine. Generic on the outside, all Airstream quality on the inside.

But if Airstream Interstates upset you so much, I promise to never attend a WBCCI function that you're attending. Just make sure to PM me your schedule, and I'll take care of making sure you never have to park within visual range of my offensive generic box Airstream.

But I'll still honk or wave as you drive by. Whether you like my Airstream or not, we're still fellow Airstream owners, and we both have big red numbers on our respective Airstreams.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:35 AM   #60
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Oh, the club runs just fine with any Airstream product, Doyle, and that includes not just Interstates and AS Mohos, but all of the Argosy trailers and motorhomes. Personally, if we were spending a lot of time in the Airstream -- months, not days -- we'd be all over Fred's list in the hunt for one of the older ones. (Some friends of ours in Abq found a really, really, really sweet 360 last year. I'm thinking about hiring a hit man to get it from them.)


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Old 03-31-2013, 08:10 AM   #61
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Oh, the club runs just fine with any Airstream product, Doyle, and that includes not just Interstates and AS Mohos, but all of the Argosy trailers and motorhomes.
I don't doubt it, else I wouldn't still be a member. And I didn't even take (much) offense to Grand Master's statement that he doesn't like the newer "generic box" Airstream motorhomes.

If anything, reading that someone doesn't think Interstates are "real" Airstreams helps put the MoHo issue into perspective. Doesn't make me change my opinion in opposing the MoHo amendment, though. The fact remains that Interstates like mine are built in Jackson Center, just as are the Airstream trailers. Thor Class A's are not built in Jackson Center, and they are not offspring of the mothership.

When there's a THOR Class A that comes out of the Jackson Center plant, then and only then will I welcome THOR class A's into WBCCI.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:34 AM   #62
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Protagonist, I think he meant the late model Class A's, not the Interstates.

If a lot members really want change, and if they are concentrated in certain units that operate informally and avoid the stuffed shirt approach of other units, why don't those units get together and present a list of demands to reform the club? It would begin with allowing people to rise up through the club quickly instead of making them wait years and years until they are entirely co-opted. Also, the nominating process needs to be opened up. The only way these reformist units could make this work was to threaten to leave the club and they would, of course, have to be willing to actually do it.

Otherwise, I think the club will decline slowly as it has and then settle into some stability—perhaps not happy stability, but a dull acceptance of the status quo. The past upheaval has exhausted a lot of reformers, it appears, and the process of dull acceptance is well under way. I'm sure there are a few people who are slowly and quietly rising through the ranks and plan on reform, but will they ever have a majority? Will they be co-opted? (It is really easy for good and decent people to be co-opted; if you haven't been part of a small group of reformers in a hidebound organization, you can't easily imagine how hard it is to not lose your way.)

These threads used to have some twisted entertainment value, but they have become as dull as the Forum has.

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if you haven't been part of a small group of reformers in a hidebound organization, you can't easily imagine how hard it is to not lose your way.)
As an employee for the Federal Government, the ultimate hidebound organization, I can tell you that the Japanese have it right: Rather than "The squeaky wheel gets the grease," it's "Deru kugi wa utareru" ("The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.")

Reformers do tend to look a lot like nails to the old guard who hold the hammers. The trick is to have enough nails that there aren't enough hammers to get them all.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:58 PM   #64
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Gene is correct. I was referring to Class A Motorhomes, NOT Interstates. In fact, I rather like the Interstates. And to be clear, I am also not referring to the classic aluminum body Airstream motorhomes manufactured prior to Thor.

This is why these forums and eMails are often the source of rancor and incivilitiy. Because statements are kept brief, they are often misinterpreted.

It seems to me that the only real function of the WBCCI is to promote the Airstream lifestyle. If it ever becomes a general RV Club, it will no longer have a unique personality and will no doubt vanish into obscurity. The Airstream mystique also carries with it a monetary advantage. The value of an Airstream is much higher than average because of quality and their iconic look. As Airstream owners, we should want to support an organization that gives us enjoyment, and promotes the mark. After all, the mystique helps preserve our investment.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:03 PM   #65
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It appears to me that the MoHo issue has become a right of passage to gain your seat on the IBT. If you are willing to trade tradition, history, original intent, core product, etc for your own selfish motivations against the will of the overwhelming majority(while using thier money) for the sake of the "click" then you are in.

Somebody please show me a picture of Wally in a MoHo, heck show me a picture of any Airstream President in a MoHo!
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RV BUsiness last week had an article stating THOR Coporate has finished their move from Jackson Center to Elkhart. So what does that tell you
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:53 PM   #67
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again............

I work primarily on the large, Class A (or A-type as the FMCA prefers top call them) motorhomes. From what i have seen of the offerings by Thor, their BEST EFFORTS are planted somewhere in the MIDDLE OF THE PACK as motor homes go....and more than likely in the bottom half of what are available from the other manufacturers.

The only features that ANY Thor motorhome will have in common with ANY Airstream product will be the parent corporation. And while I hate to break it to you folks.....while the big boxes made by Airstream were OK, they too were never anywhere near the top of the Class A product heap.

When you compare custom built full airbag chassis from Monaco, Country Coach Foretravel, Beaver, Safari, Holiday Rambler and others to the commercially available Freightliner and better Spartan chassis, there is NO COMPARISON! AND I'm not talking about the upper stratosphere occupied by Newell Coach and the various Prevost converters.

Airtream motor homes were built on available raised rail chassis and had nothing extraordinary about them.....with the possible exception of the Airstream logo on them. Oak cabinetry........try mahogany, cherry, birds-eye maple and others used in the above mentioned coaches. Fit and finish........excellent as opposed to simply mediocre. Standard water heaters and LP furnaces.....try hydronic heating and tankless hot water from Aqua-Hot. I could go on and on.......

I'm not trying to denigrate the Airstream motorhome owners (Interstates are a class by themselves), but please be aware of what the market has produced in the past and have a realistic view of what you have.

I think that the classics are great, and should have been updated IN ALUMINUM as a continuance of the Airstream tradition. It is my personal belief that Thor had NO BUSINESS producing a fiberglass motorhome under the Airstream name, as they could not differentiate themselves from the ever-expanding offerings from the higher volume manufacturers either in quality, ride and handling, and interior offerings and had to cease production. You simply can't slap an Airstream badge on an otherwise generic product and expect the market to think that it is in the category of their trailers.

I think that the WBCCI is doomed if they pass their foolish attempt to include Thor motorhomes in the club. If I was still a part of the WBCCI, I would surely resign if it passed. In fact, all of the rancor that the last go-round produced contributed handily to my departure from the WBCCI. WHO NEEDS IT???????

OK, let the flames begin!
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After giving this issue way too much thought I've come to realize the solution is simple. All you have to do is buy a Bambi, hitch it to the back of your TV (Prevost, Bluebird, Winnebago, whatever) and you're in.
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Does this mean I would have to sleep in the Bambi or could I sty in my Prevost?
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Does this mean I would have to sleep in the Bambi or could I sty in my Prevost?
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And to be clear, I am also not referring to the classic aluminum body Airstream motorhomes manufactured prior to Thor.
Those classic body Airstream Motorhomes were manufactured by Thor. In August 1980 Wade Thompson and Peter Orthein purchased Airstream from Beatrice. The first two letters of each of their last name was taken to form THOR. Beatrice was so pressed to find a buyer that they sold it to them for no money down; Beatrice loaned them the full amount. So if Thor didn't enter the picture, there most likely would be no Airstream Corporation today.

I'm not a defender of Thor but it's unfair to make accusations without knowing the facts. I'm surprised considering your sceen name.

Source: Wanderlust - Airstream at 75 page 125.
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