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Old 06-12-2013, 07:41 AM   #351
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With this in mind, wouldn't the very brining forth of the issue be grounds for an ethics complaint against those proposing the MoHo amendment?
Having made the same point about the MoHo Amendment being a source of disharmony (post #339, this thread), allow me to say, I don't think an ethics complaint would be appropriate.

The people who proposed the MoHo Amendment were not doing it to be divisive, though that was the end result. They thought they were helping out their friends, without realizing that it would hurt the club as a whole. And in fact they still don't believe it hurts the club as a whole, or they'd have withdrawn the amendment before it got to a vote. They believe it's important that their old friends stay in the club— friends who would otherwise have to quit the club in order to buy a bigger, better, and more expensive MoHo.

I can understand why they want their friends to stick around even after those friends sell their Airstreams. However, I believe they're mistaken about the importance of those specific members to the WBCCI, and about the need to pander to those members' egos by changing the rules to suit those few.

Punishing the amendment proponents for loyalty to their friends, for having good intentions but a bad plan, is not appropriate. I'd rather just hold the vote, and call the results final no matter the result, to avoid further divisiveness.

For the record, I voted against.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:51 AM   #352
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Again, most club members either do not know about the forums or know and do not participate in them. There are not enough members to have the few on the forums opposed to the amendment create enough disharmony to affect the powers that be. We, on the forums, are the minority in the club. Jim
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:10 AM   #353
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While I have not been expelled from the Club yet I do have my "Cease and Desist" letter from the Club's Lawyers framed and hanging on my bathroom wall for inspiration when I really need it.

That letter probably cost the Club $500.00. They spent close to $25,000 to expel one member. Not sure what the other expulsion may have cost them.

But be fore warned they wil not hesitate to spend your dues in pursuit of the retention of their benefits and the advancement of their agenda.

Any idea of the cost to date for the MOHO issue
OK, I just have to ask, why would anyone want to belong to a club that sends the law dogs after you if you disagree with any policy put forth by the leadership? I wonder if there is another side of the story?

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Old 06-12-2013, 10:29 AM   #354
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Bill, From world domination level down to an insignificant little club like the WBCCI politics is the same at any level. Power corrupts and the leaders never have enough.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:43 AM   #355
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OK, I just have to ask, why would anyone want to belong to a club that sends the law dogs after you if you disagree with any policy put forth by the leadership? I wonder if there is another side of the story?

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There's always another side to any story. And they don't always send in the lawyers if you disagree with them.

Most people who join WBCCI do it for the fun, fellowship, and adventure, not for the politics. As for the people who actually enjoy the politics— instead of seeing the politics as a necessary evil of running a non-profit organization— they are to be pitied. But not humored or pandered to by allowing them to play by different rules.

I'm sure even the upper echelons of WBCCI were once like us, before they attained high office and were seduced by the dark side. Unfortunately, Yoda was right, once you give in to the dark side, forever will it control your destiny.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:46 AM   #356
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OK, I just have to ask, why would anyone want to belong to a club that sends the law dogs after you if you disagree with any policy put forth by the leadership? I wonder if there is another side of the story?

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At that time there were several groups , all dissatisfied with the leadership, that wanted to change the Club from the downward spiral it had taken.

Some of the efforts of those resulted in expulsions from the Club, threats of legal action from both sides, and significant non renewals of membership. To date those efforts have not benn successful and thus some are still fighting the battle. Currently that battle focuses on the MOHO issue.

I for one still see that the Club could have value to Airstream owner if the direction of the Club was redirected towards the membership rather than the personnel benefit of the Leadership.
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:28 PM   #357
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Just a random observation and question.....

I think we can agree that the MoHo issue is divisive in the extreme for our WBCCI membership and a source of disharmony.

With this in mind, wouldn't the very brining forth of the issue be grounds for an ethics complaint against those proposing the MoHo amendment?
Who would bring this ethics complaint, and who then would rule on it and impose sanctions???

As I recall, part of the problem with WBCCI is that those who make the rules also interpret and enforce them. There are no impartial checks and balances.

As with any other powerful bureaucracy/entity, an absence of adequate and effective oversight invites selective application of rules/doctrines/laws, etc., and just general running amok.

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I'm sure even the upper echelons of WBCCI were once like us, before they attained high office and were seduced by the dark side. Unfortunately, Yoda was right, once you give in to the dark side, forever will it control your destiny.
I don't agree with the above qoute. I believe that it is more complex than that. In my opinion, it is a generational issue. The club has been run primarily by the WWII generation by people whose careers were in the military or education; very structured.

Since the start of my career in the late seventies I have seen the working world go from wearing coats and ties to wearing business casual. The working world adapted to the younger generation.

The WBCCI leadership hasn't been willing to adapt to the changing times. The structure of the IBT almost insures that there will be little change. I believe that the older generation in the WBCCI would rather let it die than make significant and meaningful changes to attract the younger generation and infuse new life blood. In life the only constant is change; if you aren't in a process of changing then you are in a process of dying.

The question is - "Can the WBCCI survive until the younger generation is running the IBT?"

I don't know the answer to this question.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:42 PM   #359
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I have to disagree with part of this synopsis. I don't know what your definition of younger generation is. The WWII generation is currently in their mid 80's and up. The current leaders are in their mid 60's to late 70's. Just before at the beginning of the baby boom generation. I believe that they are from the military, police, fire and large business world' as those are the work histories which have pensions to permit early (prior to 65) retirement. This does support your position that they are from structured work histories.

Change is difficult for everyone and, I think, more difficult for those from these areas of work history.

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I don't agree with the above qoute. I believe that it is more complex than that. In my opinion, it is a generational issue. The club has been run primarily by the WWII generation by people whose careers were in the military or education; very structured.

Since the start of my career in the late seventies I have seen the working world go from wearing coats and ties to wearing business casual. The working world adapted to the younger generation.

The WBCCI leadership hasn't been willing to adapt to the changing times. The structure of the IBT almost insures that there will be little change. I believe that the older generation in the WBCCI would rather let it die than make significant and meaningful changes to attract the younger generation and infuse new life blood. In life the only constant is change; if you aren't in a process of changing then you are in a process of dying.

The question is - "Can the WBCCI survive until the younger generation is running the IBT?"

I don't know the answer to this question.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:03 PM   #360
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If the MOHO issue passes how long before we have to get one of these for the President?

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Old 06-13-2013, 04:12 PM   #361
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We never will have to get one for him. Or rather, the people left after we all quit the club never will. But if he gets one for himself, the club will have to pay travel expenses for it.
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The suspense is killing me. Is that 1 for and 15 against or 7 for and 93 against? At This point numbers will give us more useful information. After the vote percentages will be more meaningful.
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I have not been able to locate the posting of this year's Excel spreadsheet that has the official count for each unit on line, but the sheet does exist and is issued on June 1st. You might use the list from last year's counts as a guide.
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