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Old 06-05-2013, 11:39 AM   #337
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You have not been in the club long enough to know that Thishas already been done in the past. There are members here who can tell the history better than me, but just let me say that there were members kick out of the club. Lawyers were involved. Jim
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:55 AM   #338
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While I have not been expelled from the Club yet I do have my "Cease and Desist" letter from the Club's Lawyers framed and hanging on my bathroom wall for inspiration when I really need it.

That letter probably cost the Club $500.00. They spent close to $25,000 to expel one member. Not sure what the other expulsion may have cost them.

But be fore warned they wil not hesitate to spend your dues in pursuit of the retention of their benefits and the advancement of their agenda.

Any idea of the cost to date for the MOHO issue
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #339
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You have not been in the club long enough to know that Thishas already been done in the past. There are members here who can tell the history better than me, but just let me say that there were members kick out of the club. Lawyers were involved. Jim
I am aware that it has been done in the past, though it was before my time. But if I was one of the ones expelled for dissenting opinions, there would be no lawyers involved, because I wouldn't fight the expulsion. Unlike the folks who want to buy a non-Airstream MoHo but still keep their club membership, I don't feel I'm personally so crucial to WBCCI that I'd fight to stay in against concerted opposition. Membership is a priviledge, not an inalienable right.

The WBCCI Code of Ethics says:
[QUOTE]To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding.[/QUOTE]

"Avoiding disharmony" does not require all of us to agree with each other, else we'd never need to vote on anything. It does require that we all abide by the results of a vote, and not keep raising the same issue over and over despite clear opposition from the majority.

Likewise, "mutual understanding" doesn't require that we all think in lockstep. But it does require that we listen to each other's viewpoints even if we can't agree with them.

The MoHo issue is a source of disharmony, in my opinion, and those of us on both sides who have strong opinions on the subject are at risk of not understanding those on the opposite side.

For those reasons I sincerely hope that— regardless of the result of the MoHo vote— that it's the LAST time the subject of expanding membership to include non-Airstream products is raised, so that we can all get back to "fun, fellowship, and adventure."
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:33 PM   #340
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I've been in organizations (nonprofit and for profit) where people in power always found a way to say no to anything new. They say "we tried that" or "it's been done" or "it costs too much". If a board directs the administrators to do something new, they avoid it and act like it never happened (passive aggressive behavior). It didn't matter that the new thing may have been ahead of its time or it was done badly, often by the same people. Lots of people do not like the prospect of change because they are afraid they won't know how to retain power or it is just different.

So it is with Airstream—they tried thermopane windows decades ago and they didn't work, possibly because they were poor quality. It doesn't matter that other RV companies use thermopane windows successfully—"we tried that". They tried Class A's and they couldn't sell enough to be successful. They are very unlikely to try Class A's again. The cost of doing it again, as Protagonist amply explained, is too high for a company that wishes to cut costs all the time, pile up profits and relies on a proven design that they could have never imagined themselves, to sell products.

Ironically, the WBCCI leadership is much the same in attitude.

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it looks like you are trying to combine 2 issues.

issue 1: AS no longer offers a class a moho. this is a business decision fully up to AS; regardless if it was profit-based or otherwise.

issue 2: should the wbcci [recognized as an AS club] allow non-AS moho's.
this is really an member-driven option which would only benefit a very small minority of members.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #342
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it looks like you are trying to combine 2 issues.

issue 1: AS no longer offers a class a moho. this is a business decision fully up to AS; regardless if it was profit-based or otherwise.

issue 2: should the wbcci [recognized as an AS club] allow non-AS moho's.
this is really an member-driven option which would only benefit a very small minority of members.
The people who support the MoHo amendment are doing the same, by saying:
1 - Because Airstream made a business decision to quit making class A's,
2 - WBCCI owes to to them to let them own a non-Airstream class A without quitting the club.

Airstream and WBCCI are not joined at the hip legally, and a decision by one entity does not obligate the other in any way.

If Airstream went out of business tomorrow, and quit making ANYTHING, sooner or later WBCCI would become a Vintage-only club, when all remaining Airstreams were old enough to be vintage. Would WBCCI then pass an amendment allowing every member to own a non-Airstream? That would be awfully unfair to those who lovingly restore old Airstreams and keep the iconic image alive.

So it is with the class A's. As long as there is a single Airstream class A on the road, WBCCI is being unfair to those owners to even suggest that a non-Airstream class A provides the same qualifications for WBCCI membership as does an Airstream class A.
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Airstream and WBCCI are not joined at the hip legally, and a decision by one entity does not obligate the other in any way.

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As long as there is a single Airstream class A on the road, WBCCI is being unfair to those owners to even suggest that a non-Airstream class A provides the same qualifications for WBCCI membership as does an Airstream class A.
sounds like we are on the same side of this.
i.e. AS-only

sorry if i mis-read your intent.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:47 PM   #344
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[QUOTE=Protagonist;1308724]I am aware that it has been done in the past, though it was before my time. [QUOTE]


It was before your time, but not much before your time. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, you can read all about those thrilling days of yesteryear at the click of a mouse.

If you would like, you can start here,

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ted-61430.html

and here,


http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ibt-44657.html

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Old 06-08-2013, 07:07 PM   #345
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Airstream NEVER really had a Class A assembly line. The Class A Motorhomes were simply a sideline that clogged the factory floor and moved slowly through that line.

The Class A was not uniquely Airstream and was a headache for their dealer network. There are no plans to resume because it does not fit their market demographic. There is virtually no future in conventional Class A production. The factory they were planning to build for new aluminum skinned Class A production had no real payback, given the price point they needed.

Want an Airstream Motorhome? Buy an Interstate.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:43 PM   #346
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I am sure they could sell few class A's each year. There are always people that their lives revolve around conspicuous consumption. The “money is no object buyer”. The more expensive and rare something is the more they want it and the more they are willing to pay. If nothing else to say “look what I have and you don’t”.
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But those conspicuous consumers aren't gonna buy an Airstream Class A, which is just a fancy body on a bread truck chassis. They'll buy a Newell or a proper Class A.
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But those conspicuous consumers aren't gonna buy an Airstream Class A, which is just a fancy body on a bread truck chassis. They'll buy a Newell or a proper Class A.
I have lots of these folks as clients and believe me when I say the absolutely ZERO PERCENT of this demographic would ever look at an Airstream as either a status symbol or as their ultimate coach!

Newell and custom Prevost............absolutely!

Any mere coach with a fiberglass shell (commonly referred to as a 'plastic' coach).......NO WAY!
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As a new Airstream owner, I joined the Airstream Club. I recently purchased a Life membership to infuse a few dollars into the club treasury. I did not join the SOB club. I have been is several different brands of motorcycle clubs where the birds of a feather hung out together.

The senior beagles are aways the same, like politicians, power grabbers and skew the elections so they stay in office.

It seems to always take a revolution from below to vote out the misfits and start over.
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Just a random observation and question.....

I think we can agree that the MoHo issue is divisive in the extreme for our WBCCI membership and a source of disharmony.

The WBCCI Code of Ethics says:
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With this in mind, wouldn't the very brining forth of the issue be grounds for an ethics complaint against those proposing the MoHo amendment?

This needs to be put down for good so that we can go back to enjoying the fun and fellowship of the largest AIRSTREAM group also known as the WBCCI.
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