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Old 01-23-2012, 10:21 AM   #967
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Oh, my main table also is a little shaky and cheaply made.
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For many it is not quality that matters, but whatever appeals to them on a gut leveló ultimate comfort and hollow luxury seem to be big sellers.
When I was shopping for a Class B or Class C motor home, before I decided on the Airstream Interstate, I stopped at Dixie RV in Hammond, LA. The vast majority of their sales are Class A though they have a fair assortment of Cs and trailers, and just for the hell of it I took a look at a couple of the Class As, despite knowing they were far outside my price range.

After talking to two dealers at Dixie RV, I discovered that they're not really motor home salesmen, they're realtors in disguise. Everything in the sales pitch was about the accommodations, the multiple slide-outs, the built-in washer and dryer, the big-screen televisions, and the huge "basements" for storing all of the patio furniture. However, neither dealer even knew how to open the engine compartment, because not a single one of the people they sold to ever wanted to look at the engine! They treated me like some kind of freak for wanting engine specs and were appalled when I laid down on my back to check underneath and see the frame and suspension. And neither dealer wanted to show me a Class A that had all of the slide-outs slid in for transport, probably for fear I would find out how much was inaccessible that way.

I'll take my dinky little Class B Airstream Interstate any day over even the most luxurious Class A, but then again, I'm not a full-timer trying to downsize from a 3500-square-foot wood/brick home into a 350-square-foot metal box, either.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:46 AM   #969
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Pro', they don't call them motorhomes for no reason.

I would have loved to see the salesman's face when you got down on the ground to look under a MH. There are plenty of stories about RV salesmen who know nothing much about the trailers, MH's or whatever they sell. Then they make things up when they don't know the answers.

I guess some buyers are people who go to resorts and spend $400 or $500 a night for a suite. Those are also the places that charge extra for everything that you get for free in a $60/night motel. They don't realize you can get a really nice room for much, much less if you want to look for it. Or they believe spending a lot means they are better people.

Others are people who want to be able to spend that much, but can't, so they buy the cheaper units that are designed to look like luxury, but underneath are underpowered, poorly built and start falling apart in a couple of years.

But I don't believe that the WBCCI leaders are that dumb about MH's. From all I've read, MH's are constant repair machines and an older Airstream MH must have lots of work involved. I can't blame them for wanting something new, but I think they have to choose between being a member of an Airstream club and owning a new MH.

If they bought lifetime memberships, that was a bad investment and they should accept that rather than fighting over an issue that hurts the club in the long and short run. They have choices—they can keep their old Airstream and buy a new something else; they can pay someone to do a serious upgrade of their MH, or they can accept reality and move on. I can understand that their friends want to help them. Wanting to help someone who is in a spot is an admirable trait, but they have to balance that against what this controversy does to the club they are supposed to protect and nurture. They are putting relatively minor considerations and personal friendships over the wellbeing of the entire club. The directors have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the club, not meet a few of their friend's needs.

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Excellent summation Gene. Your explaination is spot on.

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But I don't believe that the WBCCI leaders are that dumb about MH's. From all I've read, MH's are constant repair machines and an older Airstream MH must have lots of work involved. I can't blame them for wanting something new, but I think they have to choose between being a member of an Airstream club and owning a new MH.

If they bought lifetime memberships, that was a bad investment and they should accept that rather than fighting over an issue that hurts the club in the long and short run. They have choices—they can keep their old Airstream and buy a new something else; they can pay someone to do a serious upgrade of their MH, or they can accept reality and move on. I can understand that their friends want to help them. Wanting to help someone who is in a spot is an admirable trait, but they have to balance that against what this controversy does to the club they are supposed to protect and nurture. They are putting relatively minor considerations and personal friendships over the wellbeing of the entire club. The directors have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the club, not meet a few of their friend's needs.
Also worth noting, it was reported that the lifetime membership fund will be inadequate in the not too distant future. Making a new provision for lifetime members would only further complicate matters, calling for more redress down the line.
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Excellent summation Gene. Your explaination is spot on.



Also worth noting, it was reported that the lifetime membership fund will be inadequate in the not too distant future. Making a new provision for lifetime members would only further complicate matters, calling for more redress down the line.

It may not need to last that long anyway
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:17 PM   #972
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I do not see how the quality of Thor MH or airstreams trailersis revelant to this admendment. Simply put, they are not airstreams. I do not care if they would pass the NASA inspection for the space shuttle. And there is not logic to it being Thor motorhomes anyway. Well, maybe logic like congress uses, or something.
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I've said this before. There were two models sold in SAAB showrooms at the same time, when owned by GM. the 97x and the 92x, the former was a Chevy Trailblazer and the latter a Subaru Impezza. Therefore the SAAB dealer was servicing a chevy and subaru engines, done all the time in the auto industry. I'm guessing a completely different form of dealership agreements with the RV industry or something?
but, could also be, it's not worth it to satisfy the needs of what? less than 200 people? Hopefully after Int'l it will be put to rest for good.
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Last year Airstream was supportive of the small (less than 50) members that expressed an interest in new motorhomes. They asked for deposits but no one came forward with the money, so Airstream withdrew the offer Last January. The leadership should have taken Airstream's experience into account and never brought forward the motion. That is all behind us now. Maybe this time we can really put the peg into the vampire's heart for good.
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Hopefully after Int'l it will be put to rest for good.
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Hope is good, but I don't see any outcome of the delegate vote that would put this issue to rest "for good".

It got voted down in 2004 (granted, just a member survey) and again in 2007, but it's back again this year. If it gets voted down this year there's nothing to keep it from coming back next year or the year after.

If the present motion passes then the next thing will be more amendments to remove the life member requirement. (Already introduced at this year's mid winter IBT.)
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it's not worth it to satisfy the needs of what? less than 200 people?
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Dan at last years delegates meeting I brought up the FACT that the committee never studied or polled members to find what if any demand existed as in how many wanted this product..

Answer was no!

I also went on the record that the committee never had one conference cal and only exchanged 8 emails resulted in a less than adequate report by a bias group.

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They can bring it up every year!

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Actually, I have been pleasantly surprised with the lack of "full court press" by the IBT on the motion this year. I think they have posted the same number of letters for and against the motion, however the letters for come from the "establishment" and the letters against come from "mere members".

Remember the pressure and articles before on how this must be passed to save the club, nothing like that this year. Maybe the IBT realizes what a bad idea this motion is.

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Remember the pressure and articles before on how this must be passed to save the club, nothing like that this year. Maybe the IBT realizes what a bad idea this motion is.

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Bill,

It was nice to see your 'Dear Editor' letter got published in the Feb BB. Well said on your part.

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I second that. Very good letter, Bill.
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