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Old 09-27-2011, 05:28 PM   #575
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As far as the Blue Beret being a vehicle for the Party Line I like the part in the Presidents letter stating that the last 5 years have been a period of desent and that is now behind us. It is not behind me. As long as the Feckless Leadership continues to spend like drunken sailors and show complete disrespect for the membership that discontent will remain front and center in my eyes.

I suggest that anyone thinking of writing any comment against the MH issue they post them here if the expect them to have any readership.
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Unfortunately, posting here will be mostly preaching to the choir. I don't know how many WBCCI members are active on this forum, but I doubt that it is many.

Letters should be sent to the editor with a copy to the international and region leadership.

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As far as the Blue Beret being a vehicle for the Party Line I like the part in the Presidents letter stating that the last 5 years have been a period of desent and that is now behind us. It is not behind me. As long as the Feckless Leadership continues to spend like drunken sailors and show complete disrespect for the membership that discontent will remain front and center in my eyes.

I suggest that anyone thinking of writing any comment against the MH issue they post them here if the expect them to have any readership.
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I wasn't going to say anything, and I haven't seen the Oct 2011 BB, but. After last months "Letter to the Editor" by Hazel Knopp, I called HQ and talk to a staff member. I told the Club Staff member, I was not happy about the misinformation Mrs Knopp's personal survey presented. I was told I could write a Letter to the Editor as well. I asked if I could speak to the Editor of the BB, to get a feeling if I would be published and was told that the Editor was not the person who reads and "allows", or "disallows" the printed word in the Blue Beret. I was told that I would not be given this person's name, nor would I be put in contact with this person who wields the power what will be in the Letters to the Editor. Knee jerk response was NOT to write, but after a few days, I did infact send a Letter to the Editor. Never heard a word, and evidently no print in the BB. I included several articles from the RV BUSINESS which states first, that Class Motorhome sales are way down, and second Class A motorhome ownershiip is in the minority compared to towable ownership. Guess it went into the trash bin.
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I think the International President has the last word as to what is published. I think that was why Leo's candidacy statement was not allowed after it had been set up. ???

Watch out Howie you are sounding exactly like Leo down to the same terminology when he tried to tell you the very same thing before the lawsuit got scuttled in assurance of the monumental changes and desired outcome the new committee would bring about.

The editor's letters certainly haven't been drawn at random but are more commentary and political in nature than publishing members' letters. They are very pointedly using every avenue to keep pushing hard for the sob initiative.
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This is a graph from RV Business showing the state of RV sales.



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So..... the Blue Beret as a club publication which in the past has been viewed as a product of little value, has now become the instrument of leadership propaganda!

I promised my wife I would not let any club issue get to me, so....all I have to say about those statistics is, that's Bullshit!
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....all I have to say about those statistics is, that's Bullshit!
What statistics are you talking about?
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:58 AM   #582
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It’s all about time, money and effort of which much of all three has been wasted here a Unit and Region levels in the fight to keep other MOHO products from being part of the club.

I for one am just a guilty as many here for fighting this issue during the International Rally in Perry, GA many years back, writing to the IBT/EC7, etc… however did not send money into the great “Defend Wally” (what a joke, smelled a rat there and there was).

So, if you take all the time that many have spent fighting the MOHO issue along with all the money people got suckered out of with the “Defend Wally” crap, combined with the effort given by many folks that are still here and even more that has left the club, if you took all of that, you could have created one hell of a club, a bunch of terrific rallies and a few great caravans. Plus you will find a far more “positive” life!

Sorry to say, tired of fighting this stupid fight. It’s more important to have positive things in life than negative and would rather spend the time, money and effort having fun in my Airstreams with my family instead of being in an adversarial relationship with a club that does not really want my input anyway.

“The horse is dead, it’s time to dismount”

Let them have their MOHO issue and go have fun in your Airstream Trailers and Classic MOHO’s.

Let’s include other MOHO's get it over with and start learning to live with it.

Let the flames begin!
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In his first BB president's message, our new president says there has been too much descent for too many years and it is time for only "good" thoughts to be heard. Now he will be the champion for SOB motorhomes amendment and a new Constitution that will take any remaining power from the units and members by making the Delegates' meeting a non-entity with no voting power or oversight of the constitution and Bylaws. We can only hope the Denco Amendment gets approved before his and his SOB motorhome friends get complete and absolute power over everything. He hopes that the few (6,000 out of 25,000) remaining members will obey him by his edict and stop grumbling. Well, he has complete control of the BB, so you will only hear "good" thoughts and words there.
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I assume from your comment that you have not read the Revised Constitution. Yes the Delegates meeting would be removed. This is in part because fewer and fewer units are sending Delegates to the International.

That power would be directly given to the membership as per Article 18 section 8 as follows.

Sec.8 After the Annual Membersí Caucus, Headquarters will prepare a ballot including the originatorsí final proposed amendment and the final report of the Constitution and Bylaws Committee. This ballot will be distributed to the members for their direct vote by mail or authorized electronic means. The members will return their completed ballot to Headquarters by the date indicated on the ballot.
Yes the Delegate presence at the International seamed to have some image of membership representation at the International. But if you have been following the success of anyone attempting to bring forth change, with the exception of delaying the original MH issue, through that avenue in the past 5 years you will surely recognize that method has been nothing but a series of failures. Nominations from the floor, killed. Individuals ridiculed for questioning Leaderships action. Senseless time limits on the discussions of important topics.

Time, costs, and personnel commitments have produced ever decreasing attendance at the International and another means has to be brought forth if the membership hopes to have any say in the direction of the Club.

Now as for the current status of both the Denver amendment and the Revised Constitution. The Denver Amendment is working its way through the system. However far too many units are not taking it seriously and many will not even vote on it unless the membership demands it. Individuals in each unit have to keep the pressure on their President to give this issue time during their business meeting.

As for the Revised Constitution and those all important Bylaws both have been submitted to the IBT. The IP has said he would present the Bylaws to the membership but it is now becoming clearer that he will not unless frequently questioned on this issue. Write him and ask.

One of these efforts has to pass if there is any hope for the Club.

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I've been lurking on this and the other threads related to this issue for sometime now, and I'm a little troubled by the "let them buy used" attitude we seem to have. That may be an acceptable solution for now, but will fail eventually.

First, full disclosure: I joined the WBCCI in the spring of 2007 after purchasing our first Airstream, our 23' Safari, a few months before. I stood shoulder-to-shoulder with everyone at Perry, GA in 2007 to defeat the motion there. As the FL Unit's delegate to the 2008 Region 3 rally in Raleigh, NC I voted to defeat the motion coming forward from a south Florida unit on this same subject.

Over the years however, I have met some dear, sweet people in the WBCCI who are driving motorhomes and towing trailers (and some no so sweet ones too). I'm troubled by the fact that if these older motorhome drivers were forced to replace their coaches due to an accident or something else that rendered their present coach unusable, they may not be able to find another motorhome with the Airstream brand on it, and we would loose them to the WBCCI.

Now lets talk about the trailer drivers. We are all getting older and so are any available used Airstream motorhomes. It's a proven fact that RVing in a motorhome is easier than pulling a trailer. Witness the letter to the editor in the October Blue Beret from our Int'l 3rd VP. He can't do a trailer any longer. I do have a 92 year old widower in my Unit who still pulls a trailer and attends many of the Unit's rallies. I hope to be like him someday, but reality says that eventually (hopefully years from now) I may not be able to do all that is required to go trailering anymore. And, years from now that pool of good used Airstream motorhomes may be nearly dried up.

I have made many good friends by owning an Airstream and my active membership in the WBCCI and my local Unit, attending rallies and going on caravans. It would sadden me greatly to not be able to see them, or participate in these activities again.

So what's the solution here. Certainly it's not to let in any brand of motorhome for any reason. The price of admission is still owning and using an Airstream. Ten years or so from now, when there aren't any used Airstream motorhomes available, unless maybe your a skilled vintage buff, what are we to do when someone has to stop trailering?

My proposal would be for those who have been members in good standing for a TBD number of years, let them purchase a motorhome, any brand, even a Class-C if they want. The stipulation would be that they give up any club office they hold (officer, committee chair, etc.) to remain members of the WBCCI. That last part, I think, has been the sticking point in all these discussions.

For what it's worth,

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Old 10-03-2011, 12:04 PM   #586
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Age and availability are problems in many origination. If you turn 36 years old you are no longer a member of the JCs, an origination that you may have made many good friends with. If you turn 18 you can no longer be treated at Children's Hospital, a hospital that in many cases has saved a child's life. If you no longer own a Corvette you are no longer in the Corvette club. If you have reached mandatory retirement age you are no longer CEO of many Corporations.

There are an infinite number of reason why people have to give up their relationship with different origination. Usually these reasons are to maintain the integrate, direction, or focus of the origination.

If MH owners would be allowed to go off brand why then shouldn't I be allowed to bring my 10 ft. Apache pop top trailer out of retirement and remain in the WBCCI. It is a lot easier to handle than my 34 and I to am aging.
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...I'm a little troubled by the "let them buy used" attitude we seem to have. That may be an acceptable solution for now, but will fail eventually.

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It really isn't any different than if Airstream stopped making Airstream trailers. Would there be an end to the Airstream club and then any brand of trailer would be allowed in, and into what? surely it wouldn't be an Airstream club any more at that point. Just as it will not be at this point if SOBs are accepted now. An Airstream club is for Airstreams and nothing is plainer or simpler than that. When you don't have an Airstream then you don't stay in a club for Airstreams. You may even start another club with your old friends but you certainly don't scuttle the original club because now you personally don't happen to have an Airstream any more. And that is done to bare claim to perks and privilege instead of graciously leaving. You don't have to be Solomon with all his wisdom to understand that killing the club and dividing it rather than relinquishing control, has been selfish and ethically wrong. The club is for those that own Airstreams. KISS IMHO

However after being a member since 2003, owning 4 new and 2 previously loved Airstreams, I will not be renewing my membership. Paul, Rideair makes sense. We have our Airstreams to enjoy and the leadership has their friends and control of the club to enjoy. Time to part ways, just as my peers have done before me. I have the Wally history as much as any other Airstream owner can lay claim upon. The WBCCI is not about Airstreams anymore we have been told it's only a machine just a bucket of bolts, but the WBCCI is all about friends, theirs. Well so be it. I am definitely not in the loop, not even a real Airstreamer I've been told. It's tough breaking in. But now I only ask myself, "and why would I even want to?"
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Randy,

I Think the idea of a compromise with no offices and no voting has been brought up before and not been recieved well by the MoHo crowd. They are not as a group willing to give up their power.
As long as Members at Large can not vote or hold office it is not even in the realm of possibility to consider allowing other MoHo in the club with voting rights.
I could possibly support your suggestion if it only applied to present motorhome owners, no vote, no office, because if it is the social aspects of the club that are of interest then they should not have a problem with it.
There are still buddy rallies etc as a means for them to join us also.

I have belonged to the WBCCI since 73 and fully accept the fact that if I change brands or age out that I am am out of the club.
I also accept that I will not be able to join the Shasta owners club by putting little wings on my Airstreamtrailer.
Basically I believe are an Airstream club first and then a social organization,not the other way around.
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