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Old 07-13-2011, 08:08 AM   #477
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What's to be gained by continuous squabbling about trailer vs. motorhome? Nothing positive. Get over it. It's about the people and not about their RV brand.
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No, it's really about the brand. I suspect that the majority of WBCCI members joined THE AIRSTREAM club and then met the people. I doubt very many actually went out and bought an Airstream just so that they could join the club with their friends and attend club events.

It is owning the single brand known as AIRSTREAM that binds us together. Lose that single brand identity and far more AIRSTREAM owners will quit the club than MOTORHOME owners will be retained. Why was the membership not surveyed to see how many would QUIT the club if this motion passes before it had to be sent to the membership for yet another divisive vote?

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With respect to Kerfoot et al, this concerns CHANGE. If you don't want change (as in membership eligibility), then you regard tradition and maintenance of the status quo as you highest priority and act accordingly. While doing so, you denigrate anyone who's opinion or desire for change is different from yours and support your position with endless tirades about future gloom and doom should a change be implemented that's contrary to your views (or opinions).
Be careful against LABELING all people that are against this motion to allow non-Airstream into an AIRSTREAM club as "denigrators". There are many of us who do not actively participate in discussions on the subject that want this club to remain a single band club. We are not against change, we are just against THIS proposed change.

But I will admit that when a change as radical is this is proposed, there are some folks that will get very defensive and the other side may not like the backlash. This type of response is to be expected when radical change is proposed.

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On the other hand, it is possible to embrace change that can produce a positive outcome. That would require some creativity or even innovative thinking, a behavior that would not be consistent with being a naysayer. It requires more work than just sitting on the side and making frequent and repetitive unkind remarks about officers wardrobes and other traditions. Where's the benefit to improve the club when the remarks are meant to ridicule while containing nothing of a suggestion on how to improved. It's easy to be a critic but it takes work to be innovative and creative.
Again, not everyone against this motion is a "naysayer". I see no way that this motion can cause a positive outcome. I personally know people (including Airstream Motorhome owners) that quit the club last time this was put to a vote. They just got tired of the bickering and being made to feel like they were second class members (both ways). The best way to avoid this would be to withdraw this motion.

If this motion passes this time, as I have already stated, far more AIRSTREAM owners will quit the club than MOTORHOME owners will be retained. This is not being a naysayer. It is my honest opinion. I positively believe the best choice for this club is to retain it's single brand identity. This club has one unique marketable trait and that is it AIRSTREAM only identity. Lose that and the club decline will accelerate.

By the way, many club members who are NOT supportive of this motion do more than sit on the sidelines and comment. They are active at the Unit and Intraclub levels, even if they cannot volunteer to be Region and International officers. That does not mean their opinions are any less important that those that are in the top leadership positions. But I agree that both sides should comment in positive tones. Nothing positive can be gained by ridiculing the other side.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:15 AM   #478
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It's not just about members quitting if non-Airstreams are allowed in to the club, it is also about nonmembers watching this endless argument about it and the other squabbles about leadership. Any organization needs to attract new members and the present situation is very public because of the internet—thus potential members learn about the club this way. Many ask themselves why they would want to join such an organization.

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This is a club for airstream owners

if they want to have another brand motorhome well that's what the Family Motor Coach Assn. is for...they just think they are special and everyone else should go along with what they want...
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Hi JW,

Be careful against LABELING all people that are against this motion to allow non-Airstream into an AIRSTREAM club as "denigrators". There are many of us who do not actively participate in discussions on the subject that want this club to remain a single band club. We are not against change, we are just against THIS proposed change.

Again, not everyone against this motion is a "naysayer".

By the way, many club members who are NOT supportive of this motion do more than sit on the sidelines and comment. They are active at the Unit and Intraclub levels, even if they cannot volunteer to be Region and International officers. That does not mean their opinions are any less important that those that are in the top leadership positions. But I agree that both sides should comment in positive tones. Nothing positive can be gained by ridiculing the other side.
Excellent advice but let's take that one step further and not label any people as denigrators or naysayers on the basis of expressing their opinion, and realize that all members' opinions are valid whether they sit on the sidelines and comment or work as a volunteer. In a similar effort to avoid polarization, let's also be careful in thinking that there are not only two sides to an issue but remember that there are often many.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:52 PM   #481
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We are not against change, we are just against THIS proposed change.

Again, not everyone against this motion is a "naysayer". I see no way that this motion can cause a positive outcome. I personally know people (including Airstream Motorhome owners) that quit the club last time this was put to a vote.

If this motion passes this time, as I have already stated, far more AIRSTREAM owners will quit the club than MOTORHOME owners will be retained. This is not being a naysayer. It is my honest opinion. I positively believe the best choice for this club is to retain it's single brand identity. This club has one unique marketable trait and that is it AIRSTREAM only identity. Lose that and the club decline will accelerate.

By the way, many club members who are NOT supportive of this motion do more than sit on the sidelines and comment. They are active at the Unit and Intraclub levels,






To all of the above I firmly agree. As to the loss of membership in trailers vs. MoHo's, it will be devastating to this club. The WBCCI will become witness to the last several years of the Holiday Rambler Club.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:01 AM   #482
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The Holiday rambler club today is still around and it appears they actually do a good job of involving membership. The largest attended International rally for them was in 1977 with 2,200 units. The club today is mainly MoHo's and is relaltively small compared to the WBCCI. On further research I find that they are having thier international rallies in many of the same locations as the WBCCI, and the price for thier DuQuoin rally coming up is $309.00 for 2 people in one unit for up to 9 days 30Amp.

I correct my myself in my previous post and I apologize for not doing my research. The HRRVC actually encourages non-members to show up at thier international rallies and they state that you "Do not need to be a member to attend".
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Dave, what does Holiday Rambler offer their members at their rallies as compared to WBCCI?
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Old 07-15-2011, 08:54 AM   #485
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TRULY BAD NEWS FOR THE WALLY BYAM CARAVAN CLUB,
"A proposed Amendment concerning the Motor Home Issue was passed by the IBT and will go before the Delegates in 2012. The Amendment was a compromise over the motor home issue that will allow CURRENT WBCCI members in good standing to be able to purchase a Class A motor home manufactured by Thor Industries, Inc. and retain full membership in the Club. (the Amendment does NOT allow any current or new Thor Industries, Inc. motor home owners into the Club except for current WBCCI members who purchase a Thor motor home).
I believe the amendment will allow only "Life Members in good standing" to purchase a Class A motor home manufactured by Thor. Not "Current WBCCI" members."

As posted on Facebook by Dale Schwamborn.
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Kind of slim pickin's for $50 per year, but maybe I read their offerings incorrectly.

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Old 07-18-2011, 09:32 AM   #487
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what I see happening

The motion will go to the units for vote

The units will vote and instruct their delegate, Often to use there best judgement on changes.

Since the change as written seems kind of safe being it only affects life members there is a slim possibility it could pass the units.

Then IF the IBT can slice and dice a constitutional change (maybe they can't) like they do a bylaw it will go before the delegates in a more all inclusive form.

The only safe answer to preserve the club is to vote NO on any change that would allow other brands
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Since the change as written seems kind of safe being it only affects life members there is a slim possibility it could pass the units.

The only safe answer to preserve the club is to vote NO on any change that would allow other brands
There is clearly a Call To Arms here. This motions has been tailored to attract the most approval from the general membership. I use the term general membership not as to describe Mr C's Mere Membership but rather those members that tend to be more apathetic towards the governance of the Club. It is expected, by the Leadership, that those members will just slough off this more innocent current move to infiltrate the Club and will allow it to pass.

The Call to Arms is those of us posting here that are still members of the Club have got to begin to campaign as a single group to defeat this motion.

There has been a long and divided discussion on the Revision Committees work, and that discussion will continue, but that should not preclude the singular effort necessary to defeating this motion.
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Since the change as written seems kind of safe being it only affects life members there is a slim possibility it could pass the units.
Since the "constitutional revision" has been pushed off till the 2012 delegates meeting, it only makes sense for someone at the delegates meeting to move to incorporate the proposed motor home amendment into the appropriate section of the proposed new constitution.

Then it will only need a simple majority to be incorporated in the revised constitution, rather than the 2/3 majority required of a stand-alone amendment.

At that point the motor home faction can tout all the advantages (whatever they may be) of the "new, improved" constitution to encourage passing it with a 2/3 vote, while overlooking that minor little business about allowing other brand RVs into the club.
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As I read your post there is a conflict in the use of the term 2/3.

If I understand the intent your are saying the Revised Constitution only requires a simple majority to pass where as an amendment requires a 2/3 majority.

Not that I would suggest allowing the MH issue to pass under any condition or form as it will not end with that.
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