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Old 05-30-2011, 10:32 PM   #323
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The ultimate question -- really the only question -- is whether this non-feckless leadership will be successful in the endeavor. They lost the last round. There's no reason why they should not lose round two. However, the means used in this round need not -- probably should not -- be the same as used before.


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Old 05-31-2011, 12:11 AM   #324
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Hmmm, no one has mentioned in this thread, Airstream Class A body-styles. It has been stated there are 469 Class A Airstream motorhomes in WBCCI by the MoHo Committee Report. Does this 469 number count just the plastic diesel and gas powered fiberglass boxes and Widebody Land Yachts, or does it also include All Argosys and Classic 245's, 250's 270's, 280's, 290's, 300's, 310's 325's 345's 350's or 370's gasser and diesel pushers? As a Classic gasser Airstream 270 Class A motorhome owner, we resent the MoHo committee using our coach as part of their tally in favor of their report.
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To start, I'm the minority in this report. I asked Norm to put me on this committee and was surprised that I was appointed. To be blunt, my husband didn't know I knew some of the word he heard from me during the time the committee was meeting by e-mail. But I didn't give up.
Lynn, Richard and Pat, thank you for your support of the ideas I tried to get passed. Like I said to the committee, I want to keep our older members but a Thor Motor Home should not be the face of the WBCCI. You can't have the President of the Corvette club driving a Chevy. Didn't get it.
If I hadn't asked how many Motor homes are in the WBCCI I don't think any of the committee member would have asked, I was pretty much a thorn in their side and I really don't know if all the committee members even read my e-mails. I do think the other committee members think that this is what Thor and Airstream want the WBCCI to do. They don't want Thor or Airstream to be mad at the WBCCI and think this is the way to do it. I told them, Airstream is selling trailers like hot cakes, we should follow, they weren't selling Motor homes, good marketing move by Airstream and we should follow their lead. How could they be mad at us for following their lead.

I was surprised they even added the minority opinion, I guess I made some good points but they couldn't bend. Like I said, they didn't expect me. Norm knew who I was and still appointed me. Thanks Norm.



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Teresa,

Thanks for all your help and trying to keep the MOHO Committee somewhat on the right path. Back in 2007, I sent a letter recommending the same thing you did, "you can buy all you want, but you'll never get to hold office again and you "HAD" to be a current member" At that time, Jim E. was head of that Special Committee and we went to blows manytimes, even proved the CBL missed a place in the Constitution that would have needed to be reworded before the vote (that almost did not happen).

It's about them, not the club, not the membership, etc... Some in the top leadership want new MOHO's that's the bottom line and they will not stop until they get them.

I say, let them have them, change the name of the club, add the new Constitution and be done with it. We're having fun without the club this year so far, even though we are still members.

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Blue Pearl, Wow, WELL Done! totally unexpected. Yes, it is surprising the MoHo report stated a "minority opinion" and I am glad you held your ground.
In 2007, before the Perry mess, I contacted Mandalay Coach. I was then given the info for the President of the Mandalay Travel Club, a Mr Findley, I called him, since we were being told our INT EC-7, Mandalay coach owners were chomping on the bit to join WBCCI and grow our numbers.
When I explained who I was, and what was going on in WBCCI, Mr Findley told me he and his club had no interest in WBCCI. He said any WBCCi member was welcome to join their club, as long as they bought a Mandalay coach.
Now that the MTC is the THOR motorhome club, I would suspect they have the same feeling. They don't need WBCCI to flourish.
I agree, its not WBCCI that is abandoning our elder Class A Airstream owners, it Airstream. We had a 1999 Cutter diesel, and got rid of it back in 2000 after 10 months of ownership.And bought a Country Coiach Affinity.
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Now you can tear me apart Leo & Carol
Why would anyone tear you apart Teresa? Did you think the things I said about the club and my opinions had no merit or were lodged as a personal affront or were objectionable? There are things I strongly object to in the WBCCI, but they are mostly club actions taken that I believe to have been conducted inappropriately! Other than that, whether there is a name change, or SOB motorhomes are allowed in the club, or if MALs get a vote, or how delegates are able to propose change, these things are all issues every member is free to support or reject and to debate and lobby with others freely.

There seems to be some residual consequence of speaking out and asserting strong opinions and criticisms that I am heated or uncivil or not being nice and I think that is a misnomer. I will also say that Leo is often much maligned and unjustly so. When it comes to what actually perpetrates negativity, detriment, and malice, it should be the execution of unjust actions and rather not the expression of belief, that is regarded as culprit and vilified. You as a messenger should also appreciate that position.
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Please don't refer to yourself as in the MINORITY. Yes you were a minority member of that committee but in reality you are a leading member of the majority of the Club.

I have not interfaced to any extent with those on the committee, with one exception, and that member stated with conviction that their next MH would be Prevost, not even something made by Thor.

Maintain your position because the opposition has clearly demonstrated their suborn staying power.
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the committee was meeting by e-mail.
Teresa are you saying the committee never did any conference calls?
Or go to meetings etc.

Hq has a conference system that can be used.

Were you the only only one dissenting if you care to say?

The biggest flaw I see in the report is the fact that 4 out 7 owned MOHO????

and there should have been a poll of the current 450 owners to get their input.

Why wasn't that done?
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Blue Pearl, Wow, WELL Done! totally unexpected. Yes, it is surprising the MoHo report stated a "minority opinion" and I am glad you held your ground.
it is required that any member dissenting have that stated.

As far as the majority of the EC voting for this committee it was not unanimous.


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Howie, (I'll include you Bob on an edit)

You knew this was coming:

The very thoughts and views you have with your response to Teresa are the "very same" thoughts and views the majority have with the "Special Revision Committee" and what they are doing. It's no different, a small group forcing their views on others to the point where the Revision Committee did a "REBUTTAL" which hass "never" been done before in the history of the club from what I've been told by those that have been around for a very long time.

A "Special Committee" pushing their views on the membership is the "same" regardless of the topic!

You know, this now makes you one of those "Naysayers", "Troublemakers", "Just trying to stir the pot" members that have been so badly talked about.

I really wish you "Naysayers" and "Troublemakers" would for once support these Special Committees, if you did, the club would be in a far "different" place. Where ever that might be.

Support "ALL" Special Committees wants/desires over the past 7 years, VOTE "YES" for a Name Change, VOTE "YES" for the MOHO issue, VOTE "YES" for a new Constitution. It really does not matter at this point folks anyway.
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... VOTE "YES" for a Name Change, VOTE "YES" for the MOHO issue, VOTE "YES" for a new Constitution. It really does not matter at this point folks anyway.
Oh, I don't think you're right on this. Folks voted "no" to a name change and "no" to the first moho proposal, and the proposed constitution isn't doing that well, either. I'd say that what folks say has had a major impact on the club.


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I think several of us on the committee would disagree with the support we found directly with units.

In fact this past weekend at Region 2 rally I had very positive feedback.

But lets be candid until the fat lady sings no body knows how any vote will go.





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I think several of us on the committee would disagree with the support we found directly with units.
In fact this past weekend at Region 2 rally I had very positive feedback.
But lets be candid until the fat lady sings no body knows how any vote will go.
And it may pass in the end. It's hard to know. I do oppose it and found it heartening to discover that the folks in a couple of uints had similar reservations.

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And it may pass in the end. It's hard to know. I do oppose it and found it heartening to discover that the folks in a couple of uints had similar reservations.

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Some of those that don't fully understand it may not at first blush want it.

When I spoke at region 2 there were certain issues that I thought were easy to understand but it's not to several.

When it was explained in long hand they got it!

There will be many delegates, 4 committee members and the Parliamentarian ( that get it) at the Int before the meetings to debate the pros/cons to those that do not yet get it!

I'm sure there are going to a bunch that are closed minded that will never be convinced, but is that 1/3?


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