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Old 07-02-2011, 09:24 AM   #401
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Who's Driving the Bus

The Magic Thor that turns into an Airstream...

Every day I get in the queue
To get on the bus that takes me to you
I don't want to cause no fuss
But can I buy a Magic Bus?
Nooooooooo!

I don't care how much I pay
I wanna drive my bus to you each day

Magic Bus, Magic Bus, Magic Bus, Magic Bus
I want it, I want it, I want it...(You can't have it!)
Think how much you'll save...(You can't have it!)]
I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it ... (You can't have it!)

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Old 07-02-2011, 12:05 PM   #402
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Bus ad nauseum

Maybe Roger Daltrey would sing "Magic Bus" at the 2012 International. Maybe not.
I did note some fetching camping haute couture on the likes of Joan Collins and Jayne Mansfield posing in front of a '47-'48 ACF Brill bus from the film "The Wayward Bus" (1957), adapted from John Steinbeck's 1949 novel of the same title. If the new Thor owners jettisoned their wives and replaced them with some kind of meat like this, perhaps the non-Airstream built busses would become more acceptable.
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Please be careful when referring to moho owners in not so pleasant terms. I am not a moho owner but I find many tt owners a problem also, as you seem to find the moho owners. jim
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That's why the term EC7 has been used so extensively. Yet now based on the most recent vote to bring this nonsense to the Delegates it is the IBT (which includes the EC7) that is at fault for the next 12 months of decline and division. We should always point out though that at least R1P Melocik GETS IT.

Unfortunately Melocik is swimming upstream under Class V conditions.

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It's to be expected that RPs agree with the IP and EC7. It takes years of grooming before anyone can even hope to aspire to the next level with recommendation, otherwise as you know quite well, there is that special exit trajectory fast track reserved just for those who break the code. Melocik may be swimming now but he may be jetisonned in the future. I am sure he is on the new watch list.

btw MelocikWAY TO GO!! A leader among others. It's refreshing when someone has the courage to speak out and be the singular conduit of opposition in order to remain true to their own convictions. That head nodding magnetism is mighty powerful in a deliberative body of WBCCI. Lessors have often crumbled or been seduced by acceptance.
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Please be careful when referring to moho owners in not so pleasant terms. I am not a moho owner but I find many tt owners a problem also, as you seem to find the moho owners. jim
I don't believe in reviewing my posts on this topic that there are any modifiers referring to "the moho owners" in less than pleasant terms. You may have inferred such. The fact that the IBT (less one) has resurrected the acceptance of new or used non-Airstream built motor homes into the WBCCI for the third time is ridiculous. In many instances, situations like this are targeted for satire. "Satire: trenchant wit. irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly" (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary)
This topic qualifies quite well.
I do not find moho or travel trailer owners individually problematic, but when a group of either parties creates and continues to create a situation that previously has been found unacceptable to the whole, what exactly would you call it?
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. . . . If the new Thor owners jettisoned their wives and replaced them with some kind of meat like this, perhaps the non-Airstream built busses would become more acceptable.
Don't think I would call this satire. I just call it offensive.
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I think satire is always offensive to someone, perhaps many. It is used to make a point strongly and by its nature, can be upsetting. The use of the word "meat" is pretty strong, but singles bars have long been called "meat markets". I, for one, would not like my wife called "meat" (unless I said it to her as a joke), but wouldn't care if I were called "meat", though it probably would be preceded by a word like "spoiled" or "overaged". The open question is why would Jayne and Marilyn want to join the WBCCI leaders on their MH's?

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There was a large turnout of motorhome owners at Du Quoin. One owner submitted the amendment and many MH owners spoke in support. There is no statue of limitations in the club. The issue can be brought up as many times as the MH owners wish to do it until passed. The IBT members thought it was best to let the MEMBERSHIP decide the issue. If you want a say on the amendment....stay in the club, VOTE, and attend Internationals to voice your opinions.
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Its difficult to see this thread many times a day and not respond.

As a AIRSTREAM MOTORHOME owner, I am pleased and proud of my precious possession, which I believe is better than any other in its class. (chances are slim we would buy any RV if we did not believe this)
I have no desire to join WBCCI or any other "CLUB" but I would like to feel comfortable joining any CG fireside party, just as I would welcome others to visit our campfire, when we are enjoying our travels. (who, where, why of how does not matter, we are all in this world CLUB together)

I do agree that if AIRSTREAM is not branded on the RV, that the question is mute on whether you can join the WBCCI. (the real question is why, and that seems to have a monetary/prestige slant)
Most, if not all OEM's have their own club for the owners who want to join.
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You all want bottom line?
The IBT members thought it was best to let the MEMBERSHIP decide the issue. If you want a say on the amendment....stay in the club, VOTE, and attend Internationals to voice your opinions.
I really doubt that the IBT thought it BEST to let the membership decide.
Since it would require a constitution change , they have no choice.
In our case we will stay in the club, we will vote, (against)but no Internationals until the pricing options become reasonable again.

Looks like this one is going to be a bi annual event for the forseeable future
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Are there many moho owners that trek over to the vintage tent to socialize? I get the impression that most of the moho owners are the officers that meet in their separate appreciation galas in the meeting rooms and do not mingle with the general membership at the rallies.

I wonder how many of the moho owners at the International either enjoy lifetime membership and or reembursements of travel and other expenses and extended rally stays. It is expecting a lot to have members spend so much just to cast their vote or present their opinions at an International. I don't think it is any wonder that a great number of participants are officers and volunteers that truly benefit from the rally, much more so than an average member's value for their cost.

I think a big part of the moho issue is that it is initiated by leadership for leadership and further disenfranchises the small group of elite from regular members of the club. It is chafing, these special interests that continue to be sought out for the sole privilege of officers while basically doing nothing to improve the club for the average member, and often times blocking efforts to brought forward by unit members. I think it goes deeper than SOB motorhomes when addressing this issue. However the single brand identity of the WBCCI can prevail on its own merit.

I also think "passing the buck" by clarifying a vote to send the moho amendment to the delegates by saying this is not a vote of approval for passage is deflection and not effective leadership, but more of the same protectionistic qualities and letting time run out on their watches. And for that we all share paying the high costs for the administration of the club's busines, which in the end always turns out to be their business of touring and meeting with friends.
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There is no statue of limitations in the club. The issue can be brought up as many times as the MH owners wish to do it until passed. . .

. . . If you want a say on the amendment....stay in the club, VOTE, and attend Internationals to voice your opinions.
Or, if you are growing weary of endlessly, unrelentingly, fighting over it, you can simply not renew your WBCCI membership and forget the whole sorry mess. Membership statistics seem to indicate this is an increasingly popular option.
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Pearl54FC, you hit the nail on the head. If you believe in something you fight for it. This organization operates with volunteers. Without them you have no WBCCI. Anyone can become a volunteer. All you have to do is step up to the plate and go to work.
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I admire people who work through the system to change it. A democracy needs that to survive. The leaders think of change agents as troublemakers, but that is badge of courage.

But, if the system is stacked against you, how many people will keep working at it, or have the time and persistence? It seems the people with the most time are also retired and will they make changes before they are ready for the rocker? Those that retire youngest have the best chance of change—that would seem to include those that were in the military and I keep reading that many leaders are ex-military. They have the opportunity many others do not. That may explain the culture of the leaders.

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With the third round of Moho's being interjected, perhaps an assortment of new uniforms is in order for bus drivers to aptly distinguish themselves from the common proletariats who must tow. Certainly, no one believes The Wallyites have nearly enough costumes at International to satisfy the multitude of special event days for full dress camping. A bus has plenty of "basement" to lay in a wide assortment of smart frocks and eye-bulging uniforms-of-the-day, especially with the space saving vacuum packs as-seen-on-tv. Picture the surprise on your friends' faces as you step out of your new Thor in your Gotham Bus Company starched and pressed suit! Beret Day? Not to worry! You'll fit right in sitting on the entry step playing "Lady of Spain" on your big sqeezebox. And just imagine yourself dressed to the nines in this fabulous Zulu outfit as you strut up the aisle during the Flag Ceremony. For those laid back bus owners who deign to mix with the lesser coach plebeians around a propane campfire, make a class-breaking statement in fur and animal skin!
Jones, this is classic! It so aptly describes the absurdity of the kind of individual who is drawn to such executive bafoonery! Unfortunately it has an affect on the good people who make up the membership, many of whom I consider to be worthwhile friends and associates who just want to get away for a few days to commune with others of like mind in their Airstream.
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"Or, if you are growing weary of endlessly, unrelentingly, fighting over it, you can simply not renew your WBCCI membership and forget the whole sorry mess. Membership statistics seem to indicate this is an increasingly popular option."


Or you can keep your membership, go to the unit rallies, go on caravans, enjoy the benefits of WBCCI, vote to tell your delgate to say no, and not worry about it. Might not ever go through. If it does, then you ralize a majority of members think it is a good idea, and you can quit then if it still bothers you.
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Don't think I would call this satire. I just call it offensive.
If not offensive, certainly in very bad taste!!!!
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EXTRA!!! More Mansfield Meat News!

After releasing a failed album (Jayne Mansfield Busts Up) when her film career tanked, Jayne scrounged for income through different venues, making personal appearances for organizations and supermarkets. Many of these gigs didn't pay in cash, however. To appear at a meatpacking plant, she received 250 pounds of meat. Jayne was also named "Miss Hotdog Ambassador" in 1950 although there's no record of her eating them in any kind of contest.
What has this to do with the WBCCI Thor MoHo issue? Nothing. But for those bus owners struggling with satire and posting angry icons, perhaps they could weigh in on the issue itself.
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After releasing a failed album (Jayne Mansfield Busts Up) when her film career tanked, Jayne scrounged for income through different venues, making personal appearances for organizations and supermarkets. Many of these gigs didn't pay in cash, however. To appear at a meatpacking plant, she received 250 pounds of meat. Jayne was also named "Miss Hotdog Ambassador" in 1950 although there's no record of her eating them in any kind of contest.
What has this to do with the WBCCI Thor MoHo issue? Nothing. But for those bus owners struggling with satire and posting angry icons, perhaps they could weigh in on the issue itself.
Wow, Jimmy, great reference.
I guess I was totally wrong to say your post referring to Jayne Mansfield/Joan Collins/Wives of Thor Owners as meat was offensive.
Please excuse my ignorance and accept my apology.
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