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Old 02-03-2011, 02:54 PM   #201
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So much for one vote one member, eh? MALs pay exactly same annual dues as "unit" members yet don't get a vote? Really a shame Heck, one more reason to join WDCU!

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MALS pay more than unit members!! Correct? zz
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1M1V will not take effect until the New Constitution in voted on.
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If we didn't already belong to the best unit in WBCCI and were MALs, I'd be joining a unit RIGHT NOW, at least until this screwy mess is voted upon.

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"1M1V will not take effect until the New Constitution in voted on"

I think you are leaving one "key" step out of your statement (this maybe the dotted line part of one of your post).

It's got to "PASS" first! Or are you trying to tell us that the IBT/EC7 will make sure the "New Constitution" is going to happen no matter what the membership wants? Or does that matter? And don't twist this that I'm against 1M1V for I am not.

If the "New Constitution" is great as written and the members vote for it as worded, that's great!

But if "one word" is changed from the floor of the Delegates Meeting, have your Delegate "VOTE NO". A single word can change the meaning real quick. Should/Shall, May/Must, etc...

Have your Unit go over this document with a "fine tooth comb". If they don't understand somthing, asked someone. I would recommend "NOT" asking an IBT/EC7 member or someone from the Revision Committee how your Unit should vote. For that would be somewhat of a conflict of interest.
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No one except Bob asked for member input!!!

Bob,
Why are you the only person out of the committee that asked for member input? The president's newsletter was simply an announcement. No information on how to provide input to any committee member.
Region 7, again, only an announcement. No invitation to the membership to provide input.

Looks to me like the people in charge really did not want member input.....

And why did Darryl Ewles resign at this time?

As the Saturday Night Live skit that sticks in your head ----

"What's up with dat... what's up with dat....."


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Lately we have not agreed on much, but on the point of if any single wood is amended by the IBT in the new Constitution from the floor it should be voted down. The Constitution should be enacted as originally presented.

A point you have missed is that the IBT did not ask for this constitution and it was not presented to the IBT. It was presented to the Ex Board. The IP formed the committee and the revisions was presented to the Ex Board, 7 members, not the IBT as a whole, 18 members.
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For whatever it is worth, I provided 4 pages of 'input" to Dona Garner and asked her to distribute it to the committee. She obviously did so as I received e mail from a couple of the committee members.

While most of my suggestions were not unique and simply reflected the concerns of many,
they were for the most part addressed in the report read at the IBT meeting.

I am patiently waiting to read the final documents before forming an opinion.
I am also patiently waiting for Florida to get warmer.
Wonder which will happen first?
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Bob,
Why are you the only person out of the committee that asked for member input? The president's newsletter was simply an announcement. No information on how to provide input to any committee member.
Region 7, again, only an announcement. No invitation to the membership to provide input.

Looks to me like the people in charge really did not want member input.....

And why did Darryl Ewles resign at this time?

As the Saturday Night Live skit that sticks in your head ----

"What's up with dat... what's up with dat....."


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Sandy since I am active on the forums it was logical for me to do so, I discussed that issue before hand with the IP.

Tom S. & Kerry M. also posted in that thread.

It was also posted in that thread whom to contact, in a re-posted notice from the IP here post #98

Dona received info (not only from Rick) which was distributed to the committee, I summarized all the posts and distributed those as well.

To say we didn't want or seek input is factually false.

As far as Darryl Ewles resignation I was informed it was based on health issues.
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Aw come on folks. The MOHO problem is solving itself.

Happiness is no longer being a member of the WBCCI!!

Check you membership numbers.
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Have you checked out that link? It appears a Past International President posted on that forum and thinks Leo G is full of malarkey. That's more communication than we ever saw on WBCCI forums that's for sure!

Here are some interesting facts about this motorhome issue for those that may be new to following the IBT's path allowing other brands to be accepted by the membership.

The issue came to a proposed constitutional amendment in 2007 and was defeated handily by a 2 to 1 margin by the membership.

In 2009 the WBCCI's 20/20 Committee struck back at that failed attempt with two amendments, the incorporation of vision and mission statements that bolstered and assured that the club would remain an Airstream Owners club as it has been since its formation in 1955.

In 2010, the very next year, the Executive Committee for the club formed their 2nd Motorhome Exploratory Committee. This committee's task was to find someway to have THOR (Airsltream's parent company) manufacture some type of class A motorhome and falsely label it as an Airstream RV all to meet current WBCCI membership requirements. That attempt rightfully failed at the committee level as Airstream itself rebuffed the effort based on past member voting results.

Not to be deterred, openly and willingly ignoring the membership's prior actions, on January 28th 2011 club leadership passed a motion that will create a 3rd Motorhome Exploratory Committee. The intent behind this 3rd attempt is to try and force THOR's or Airstream's hand in this matter yet again.

I think doing away with delegates and Forrest's amendment is just another approach that the EC is trying to move closer to their continued goal of making a way to see this happen. One thing we certainly haven't seen much of is leadership spending meeting time and their energy initiating new business or even furthering member driven issues that are for the primary advantage of the general membership. But now they care and this will be better? Be careful, maybe we should look the gift horse in the mouth. This present's value should perhaps be examined before we express too much gratitude over our good fortune of a brand new constitution written by the Special (appointed) Revision Committee for the Executive Committee and accessed by the Standing Constitution Committee, coincidently or not, headed by the very same PIP that was IP during the unsuccessful vote and said that would not be the end. Background can prove to be very interesting for those with deeper curiosity.
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Have you checked out that link? It appears a Past International President posted on that forum and thinks Leo G is full of malarkey. That's more communication than we ever saw on WBCCI forums that's for sure!
Of course, we have no idea whether any of the posters are really the persons whose names they used.
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Of course, we have no idea whether any of the posters are really the persons whose names they used.
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Surely you are correct. Who knows who Shirley in LI is. And D.S. could have plenty of impersonators. Wait... you think?

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If you look at it just right

Then, the 2007 Perry International where allowing any other brand was rejected (rough numbers were) 39% or 2435 votes for and 60% or 3677 votes against and (128 abstentions-1%). For a total of 6240 votes. Total membership 2007 “WBCCI Directory total--6549 Members”

Now, let’s look at the numbers in 2011 the total membership “2011 WBCCI Directory total--5496 Members”. One could say that if a vote was taken “today” the numbers should fall like this following the same 60/40 split. The (rough numbers) 3294 against, 2196 approve. Yes/No? I say “no” and the IBT/EC7 knows it. Why? Since 2007, we have lost 1053 members. Based on the reasons why many people have left the WBCCI, which side do you think those 1053 voted on, Against or Approve in 2007? I say “against”.

So, if the approve still had 2435, that means the against would be down to 3061 (for the total of 5496 votes) or a rough 55/45 split. Why does this matter? Depending on the rewrite of the WBCCI Constitution will you still need 2/3rd to change it or just 51%, 1M1V (normally 30-50% vote, mostly older folks, possibility approvers of the MOHO) one can see next year (after the current MOHO study is done) this could be presented at the Mid-Winter Meeting and come back up for a vote and pass in 2012. That with more and more people getting PO’d at the WBCCI IBT/EC7 and leaving the Club (members against the MOHO issue) if brought up to the membership it could just pass.

I will bet dues to the WBCCI WDCU Unit this will come back up for a vote next year (International 2012). By that time, more members will have left the club (those against it and those who got the word out) and it just might pass. Plus, it will be said it has been five years since the last vote on the issue and we are in even a greater need for this to be done.


You wait and see!
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Paul, I can see how they might indeed use that logic. On the other hand, why start using logic now, one way or another it will be done by fiat. Thats my guess. Who gives a crap about what the mere members think?
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Paul, I can see how they might indeed use that logic. On the other hand, why start using logic now, one way or another it will be done by fiat. Thats my guess. Who gives a crap about what the mere members think?
After all, if the IBT decides what the Constitution means with no oversight, then it effectively means whatever they want it to mean. So, if they decide that no SOBs means SOBs are welcome, then that is that. End of story.

All that is going on right now is lipstick is being put on the pig. Continued pretending that the WBCCI is an organization run by the rule of law is farcical, cause it just ain't so. The IBT president has already demonstrated his commitment to honorable behavior and upholding the mere members right to govern the organization.

I bet if the club were to allow SOBs to long-time members with the provision that such members be excluded from office holding or committee service and would not have a vote (like MALs) they would not go for it.
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