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Old 07-21-2006, 03:49 PM   #15
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We are new Airstream owners (June, '06); we are also new to RV-ing. We joined WBCCI because it is the "official" Airstream club. We figured that WBCCI was the place to learn camping generally and Airstreaming specifically. What we're reading here is that the club is junk. We have not yet been to any WBCCI functions, and therefore, have not formed any opinions yet.

We were just about to send in a check to register for the 2007 International in Perry, Georgia. We planned to pay the extra fee for the full 30 amp electric service. Are you telling us that without the right "connections" within WBCCI, we wil not get the 30 amp hook-up? Because if that is the case, I would as soon spend 30 days in the county jail as spend a week in an unairconditioned trailer in south Georgia in the middle of Summer.

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I would encourage everyone not to be dissuaded from joining a WBCCI unit just because there are some of us who are going the other way. Each unit is different and your feelings regarding the organization and how it operates may significantly differ from ours. Like anything else you have to try it to see if you like it.

I would think that in Georgia there will be extra facilities brought in for power. I think all of that depends upon the number of folks who place their orders in advance, so I wouldn't balk at sending in your reservations. I don't believe that we have seen any feedback from any individual at any rally since they started offering full electric, about being turned down after they had an advanced reservation. I think we saw some issues with people who bought the electric upon arrival, but not the advanced orders.

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Old 07-21-2006, 04:03 PM   #16
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I would encourage everyone not to be dissuaded from joining a WBCCI unit just because there are some of us who are going the other way. Each unit is different and your feelings regarding the organization and how it operates may significantly differ from ours. Like anything else you have to try it to see if you like it.

I would think that in Georgia there will be extra facilities brought in for power. I think all of that depends upon the number of folks who place their orders in advance, so I wouldn't balk at sending in your reservations. I don't believe that we have seen any feedback from any individual at any rally since they started offering full electric, about being turned down after they had an advanced reservation. I think we saw some issues with people who bought the electric upon arrival, but not the advanced orders.

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Jack,

Thanks for reminding people not to avoid something because someone else on the other side of the country had a bad experience. At Tip O'Neill said "all politics is local".

I noticed empty 30 amp parking at Salem, what the facilities will be like in Georgia is, of course, unknown at this time. I know that Rich C. "Gadget" obtained 30 amp parking after he arrived at Salem.

The registration form for Perry states full hookups for the first 600 who register. I don't know how that will work as they seem to park in order of arrival.

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I too joined the wbcci last year primarily to join the VAC. I have yet to attend a rally but am really looking forward to my first at the RMVAC. I will continue my memebership in order to continue being a part of the VAC.

I doubt that I will ever caravan unless of course it is with some of you out there in AIR land, preferably boondocking
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Old 07-21-2006, 04:11 PM   #18
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I agree with Jack on this also. Just because it's not working out for me doesn't mean it won't be great for someone else. I definitly recommend people give their local unit a try before they brush it off. If we had more younger people getting involved in our local unit, it might be a whole different story. Just think if we had more young people involved, more fun at rallys, more people participating so the regulars weren't getting burnt out trying to organize things.

As much as we like to think having a get together doesn't require anyone to organize, we've found that every forum rally - even though it's just friends camping together - requires work to setup.

I think the name change and politics this year have really hurt the club, and caused many people to want to stay away, without really having had any interaction with their local unit at all. Which is really too bad.
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Jack,

Boy I could speak volumes on this topic - and I will.

I will compare my experience between the Burning Man event and the International Rally.

First off - Entrance Gate. We had to wait almost an hour to be taken in. The one thing I would have liked to see was a welcome package telling us what was going on, where to go what to do. Burning man hands out every participant a package of information, maps, event Calendar, sticker,etc... It's called a Survival Guide. There is no guessing where to go, whom to see. Most of all there is no registration beyond what happens at the gate. You come in, hand over your tickets, get a package and you are in. Period. Now for the International I understand the need for parking and all so I do understand part of that but during the waiting at the gate I could see most of the registration taking place right there. Once we got in at the International we had to be told where to go and what to do and still the instructions did not make complete sense. This information should have been part of the package.

First Timers. We were first timers and it sucked. Everywhere we went we had to wear a badge distinguishing us as newbies. So of course whenever you don't understand something somebody looks at your badge and you can see the thoughts (Oh, they are new). We even felt that we were intentionally told misinformation because we were new. "Sorry, we don't have any more rally pins" only to find other people still getting them the following day. It all plays in the class distinction/hierarchy that exists in the organization. The young/new members want to be an equal part of the event, not distinguished as inexperienced. We are talking about the membership base that WBCCI is trying to attract.
At Burning Man, when you get through the gate you arrive at the Greeters Station. There you are asked where you came from and if you know where you are going. Most do. But we have First Timers also. When you happily announce that you are a first timer a greeter will yell "VIRGIN!!!". You are asked to leave the vehicle and you get to ring a giant bell! People scream and yell and you immediately feel welcome. No matter what you will hear the greeters say " Welcome Home" because you really are at home. Your level of discomfort starts to dissolve immediately. That will really be the only distinction. And during the event, if you tell someone you are a virgin, they will welcome you and tell you that if you need any help to ask - and they mean it. You will not get a sideways glance because you brought the wrong size hose or "y" adapter - if you know what I mean.

Volunteers. We volunteer at the Burning Man event. I can say from experience that our volunteers number in the single percentages based on the entire city population. To see that the International organizers/volunteers number in the double digit percentages only tells me that there are too many volunteers. That may mean that some are coming out early just to get a good parking spot.
I have been involved in Burning Man event long enough to know what it basically takes to build a city - it doesn't take 50%. At Burning Man, if you are not a volunteer, you are a participant. And participants help build the city by being a very interactive part of the city. There are very few tourists.

Regimentation. This does not exist at Burning Man. Well, nearly does not exist. Really, you can tell many volunteers like us because we have a radio for communication or a golf cart to get around. We also have an identification badge that we do not display. Why? because we may be a volunteer but that doesn't make us somehow better than somebody else. We are all equal. Even the "Senior Staff" are basically indistinguishable from the general population. Uniforms?? Anything from your birthday suit to whatever your imagination can conjure up is acceptable. There is nothing to make you look somehow better than your neighbor. No badges or anything.

Ceremonies/Security. I found the opening ceremony to be long and quite frankly kind of boring. Watching 144 flags walk down an aisle, one at a time, didn't inspire me in any way whatsoever. The opening ceremony was preceded by a rather long lecture of do's and don'ts that quite frankly could have been printed up and handed out as part of a welcome package. It reminded me of my first few months in boot camp where we were talked down to. It was quite oppressive. "Wear your badge everywhere you go. If you loose it, it will not be replaced". Who cares. There are far more effective ways of dealing with security and, as it was, none of that prevented the many thefts I heard about at the event. Besides, whop was checking badges??? What if you don't have one?? Get a day pass with no identification? Where was the security?
At Burning Man there is a ceremony every minute of every day. Pick one and go have a ball. As for security, we have a large team of volunteers called the Rangers. They are the self-police force for the event. They resolve disputes and are responders for whatever needs may arise. We also have regular law enforcement at the event. Crime at Burning Man??? Very little. I have never heard of someone getting broke into. I did hear of someone taking a mirror covered jeep for a jay ride. When the rangers and then the police finally caught up to the perpetrator we thought it was going to be a big deal. Well it turned out that the perp and the victim talked it out and wound up dropping all charges. It was a joy ride and the perpetrator didn't mean any harm - or so he said. Nobody went to jail and nobody was harmed.

Community. It abounds everywhere you go at Burning Man. That is self explanatory. We so greatly depend on each other out on the playa that we must get along and work things out. I have never heard of a single fight. Yes there are disagreements. Heck - it's in the 100's out there, the dust is blowing and you are hot and dirty. But you understand because so is everybody else. I promise that if there is a fight, you will see those same people toasting a drink later.
At the International I saw community but mostly in the VAC tent. The nightly gatherings were informal and any announcement s were timely and short. People met to talk and spend some time together. That was the best part of the International for us. GO VAC!!!! You guys get it!

Now I could go on and on. But I think you get the point. The bottom line is that the International epitomizes the main reasons why the WBCCI is having trouble reaching the multitudes of new Airstream owners. They are working (hopefully) to identify the needs of the changing demographic. If they want a good example, look to Burning Man. The events are different but they are the same. A yearly gathering that brings together people of like minds for a week or more of sharing what they love most.

These are our thoughts and do not encompass all that we feel but reach some of the more prominent points. And if you are tired of hearing about Burning Man keep this in mind. The event costs the same to attend, no services are provided to the participants. You must be completely self sufficient the entire time you are there. And still the event grows by almost 10 percent every year. How is the International doing???
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Shari,

At sometime after you all came from the delegates meeting, someone in our core group said the WDU was not represented. Chris says it as Patti. That's what generated my question in the first place. Why become a WDU, when as a MAL, in the end was the same, with no vote.
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Moosetag,
If you pay for the electricity upgrade, then you'll get electricity and everyone has water. Its just sewer that is very limited if at all.
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Old 07-21-2006, 05:33 PM   #22
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At sometime after you all came from the delegates meeting, someone in our core group said the WDU was not represented. Chris says it as Patti. That's what generated my question in the first place. Why become a WDU, when as a MAL, in the end was the same, with no vote.
Sorry Jim...I was AT the entire delegate meeting. The WDCU Delegate voted 23-yes & 67-no. I don't know WHO the delegate was...but there was someone representing the Unit's vote.

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Tony Turner #6373 Was the delegate for WDCU. If you would like I can post his report to us to prove it. Everyone in WDCU had their votes counted!
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Ok, Ok, sorry! I was just repeating what I was told. Patti told us, at least to Chris This is what formulated my post to start with, Sorry! OK, I'll just shut up.
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Don't "shut up". Many of your points are valid. I just wanted to correct your mis-statement and give credit to the WDCU where credit was due.

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Horrible thougt from WBCCI/Burning man comparison

Buttercup, You mentioned that at burning man clothing is optional. I have seen the pictures from Salem. I think it would be best if WBCCI did not adopt a clothing optional rule.
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Burning Man? Please elaborate, sounds enticing.
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Burning Man? Please elaborate, sounds enticing.

There are several Burning Man threads on the forums which can be accessed through the search feature
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