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Old 09-22-2006, 07:59 PM   #1
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WBCCI member at large totals as compared to total membership

I have compiled some WBCCI stats on my own on the MAL membership compared to the total WBCCI membership.These are 'unofficial stats'.
In looking at the numbers you can see at a glance two distinct trends developing.
The MAL number now makes up over 7% of total membership and I'm posting this for those who might find this interesting.

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1996-74 MAL's(members at large)-10,300 total WBCCI membership
1997-167 MAL's-9848 total membership
1998-267 MAL's-9547 total membership
1999-340 MAL's-9085 total membership
2000-383 MAL's-8750 total membership
2001-448 MAL's-8467 total membership
2002-473 MAL's-8073 total membership
2003-514 MAL's-7844 total membership
2004-510 MAL's-7540 total membership
2005-554 MAL's-7504 total membership
2006-506 MAL's-6913 total membership
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Thank you Streamer23 for your research. I have crunched these numbers and came up with the following: total membership is 6913 minus the 506 MALs = 6407 members in regions divided by 12 current regions = average region membership is 533 members. It then follows that they are enough MALs to create a 13th region to represent MALs within WBCCI.
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How about numbers by region is that handy?
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How about numbers by region is that handy?

It will take me a few hours but I should be able to post them sometime today.
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How about numbers by region is that handy?


Hi Bob,I've started a different thread for the Region totals.

http://www.airforums.com/forum...tml#post277336
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I have compiled some WBCCI stats on my own on the MAL membership compared to the total WBCCI membership.These are 'unofficial stats'.
In looking at the numbers you can see at a glance two distinct trends developing.
The MAL number now makes up over 7% of total membership and I'm posting this for those who might find this interesting.

Year
1996-74 MAL's(members at large)-10,300 total WBCCI membership
1997-167 MAL's-9848 total membership
1998-267 MAL's-9547 total membership
1999-340 MAL's-9085 total membership
2000-383 MAL's-8750 total membership
2001-448 MAL's-8467 total membership
2002-473 MAL's-8073 total membership
2003-514 MAL's-7844 total membership
2004-510 MAL's-7540 total membership
2005-554 MAL's-7504 total membership
2006-506 MAL's-6913 total membership


I just today received the 'official' MAL numbers and membership numbers from WBCCI and They are posted below.My totals posted above are from the yearly directories and the WBCCI totals are for the year so for example my 1997 directory totals correspond with WBCCI's 1996 numbers and so on.
I believe I know some of the reasons for the discrepancies between the two sets of numbers .Here are the official numbers;

1996-166 MAL's-11,092 total membership
1997-259 MAL's-10,583 total membership
1998-344 MAL's-10,229 total membership
1999-401 MAL's- 9,755 total membership
2000-471 MAL's- 9,443 total membership
2001-551 MAL's- 9,074 total membership
2002-524 MAL's- 8,785 total membership
2003-503 MAL's- 8,593 total membership
2004-632 MAL's- 8,243 total membership
2005-700 MAL's- 8,258 total membership
2006-634 MAL's- 7,681 total membership
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I just today received the 'official' MAL numbers and membership numbers from WBCCI and They are posted below.My totals posted above are from the yearly directories and the WBCCI totals are for the year so for example my 1997 directory totals correspond with WBCCI's 1996 numbers and so on.
I believe I know some of the reasons for the discrepancies between the two sets of numbers .Here are the official numbers;

1996-166 MAL's-11,092 total membership
1997-259 MAL's-10,583 total membership
1998-344 MAL's-10,229 total membership
1999-401 MAL's- 9,755 total membership
2000-471 MAL's- 9,443 total membership
2001-551 MAL's- 9,074 total membership
2002-524 MAL's- 8,785 total membership
2003-503 MAL's- 8,593 total membership
2004-632 MAL's- 8,243 total membership
2005-700 MAL's- 8,258 total membership
2006-634 MAL's- 7,681 total membership
Mike, I took your actual total membership numbers above, pasted them into Excel and did an extrapolation.

The result is attached. This result assumes nothing more radical happens than the variation typical of the last decade.
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While the membership is going down overall, the subtrend is greater ratio of members at large. That says something about the units that people have considered to join (or have left). There are enough of them in MAL status that they can form their own region.
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And, by the way, I'd be willing to bet that MALs are more active than the averge WBCCI member. There are alot of members in the club today who hang onto their unit membership as a way to keep in touch with old friends even though they, themselves, no longer travel much if at all. Someone who goes as far as bothering to pay $70/year for the Blue Beret (instead of Airstream Life) and not be part of much of the fun that happens in some units is a pretty dedicated soul.
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And, by the way, I'd be willing to bet that MALs are more active than the averge WBCCI member. There are alot of members in the club today who hang onto their unit membership as a way to keep in touch with old friends even though they, themselves, no longer travel much if at all. Someone who goes as far as bothering to pay $70/year for the Blue Beret (instead of Airstream Life) and not be part of much of the fun that happens in some units is a pretty dedicated soul.
But isn't that part of why so many people join the club anyway.To go camping and make friends,some friendships lasting a lifetime.I'd be willing to bet that most of the members you refer to had their day when they were very active in the club and camping.They keep their membership and pay their dues to keep the friendships 'alive'.It works for them but obviously not for everyone.
It may be difficult for someone new to be accepted into 'the group' or 'inner circle' in units like this and that is why I feel there should be some alternative available.
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It may be difficult for someone new to be accepted into 'the group' or 'inner circle' in units like this and that is why I feel there should be some alternative available.
You got it streamer23! When a group of Airstreamers have grown old and gray together, they like each others company, and certain activities that have evolved with them. They want their unit to continue, and they want new members to sustain it; but they also want things to stay just the way they are and resent any deviation from their "template." There's the rub.
New units should be a normal and universal mechanism for sustaining an organization like WBCCI. As old units "ramp down," new units should be allowed and encouraged to "ramp up." It's "Win-Win." It's Yen and Yang. It's a beautiful thing, but it scares the heck out of the old guard.
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It may be difficult for someone new to be accepted into 'the group' or 'inner circle' in units like this and that is why I feel there should be some alternative available.
One of my points was that it is not a healthy trend to see the ratio of MALs grow. We appear to be approaching 10% of membership. We should consider ourselves lucky that these MALs hang around for $70/year instead of dropping out completely.

I am not saying we should stop offering MAL as an alternative. We should continue to offer it. It would be a positive leading indicator, however, if we can convince MALs to become regular members. For that to happen, the MALs have to be convinced that there are units worth joining. Right now, the trend appears to indicate that this is not the case.
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One of my points was that it is not a healthy trend to see the ratio of MALs grow. We appear to be approaching 10% of membership. We should consider ourselves lucky that these MALs hang around for $70/year instead of dropping out completely.

I am not saying we should stop offering MAL as an alternative. We should continue to offer it. It would be a positive leading indicator, however, if we can convince MALs to become regular members. For that to happen, the MALs have to be convinced that there are units worth joining. Right now, the trend appears to indicate that this is not the case.
Could the trend be telling us that they like belonging but there is something about the nearby units OR the activities of the Unit that keep them from joining??? Mike-can these number be broken down by region? I apologize if some one has already asked this of you and I just don't know where to find it.
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Could the trend be telling us that they like belonging but there is something about the nearby units OR the activities of the Unit that keep them from joining??? Mike-can these number be broken down by region? I apologize if some one has already asked this of you and I just don't know where to find it.
They could be broke down by state which would give an idea of region totals.This will be easy when I get to the point I have all the data on computer and can pull up the numbers.Right now,I'm not at that point. The only way would be to go through the directory one listing at a time and add them up.
Maybe an email to Jodi Morris/WBCCI Membership Director to answer your question.
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Mike, I took your actual total membership numbers above, pasted them into Excel and did an extrapolation.

The result is attached. This result assumes nothing more radical happens than the variation typical of the last decade.
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This is EXACTLY what I was talking about for the past two or so years with current WBCCI members throwing mostly everything but their RVs dual pan kitchen sink my way.

I don't think the club will totally go away, but think you'll find splintered off units that will no doubt go it alone without an international presence. My guess is that it will take less than 25 years for this to happen. I'm thinking around 10. Why? Mother Nature. A fair number of folks (who represent the bulk of the current membership nationally) are above a certain age and with fewer and fewer new folks joining the ranks, when Airstream sales are and have been for the past 3-4 years been at their highest........it doesn't take a PHD to connect the dots.
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....and another thing....if you further took out the VAC folks from the membership totals, if the requirement to be a part of VAC (which IMHO is doing it correctly) didn't have to include being part of WBCCI, I think those numbers would be even worse. In a way, VAC carries a small part of WBCCI. I think that a fair number of folks if given the chance would walk from WBCCI and simply have a VAC memership.

One last point and I'll get off my soapbox and stick my nose out of it, now being a member that dropped it.

They gave a free membership for every new Airstream sold in 2003. How many renewed during this high sales Airstream is enjoying, even back then? I think the numbers can tell you better than I can.

I agree with nearly everything everyone has said in this thread to this point.
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Silvertwinkle, you hit the nail directly on the head. More and more Airstreams, less and less WBCCI members, do you think some changes are needed?
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They gave a free membership for every new Airstream sold in 2003. How many renewed during this high sales Airstream is enjoying, even back then? I think the numbers can tell you better than I can.

I know you like actual numbers....here they are.In 2003,WBCCI gave out 635 free memberships...287 did not renew.
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Silvertwinkle, you hit the nail directly on the head. More and more Airstreams, less and less WBCCI members, do you think some changes are needed?

Yes I do as one of the folks who got a free membership, and didn't renew.

The issue is that human beings in general can be frightened or resistant to change. That's normal, but the powers that be, talk a great game of rich legacy of the club...so much so that for the most part it will end with their generation as a result of the national movements reluctance to change anything out of the post WW2 mentality. Keep in mind a few "local" units are riding the wave and seem to be doing great because they cater to the local tastes, but don't forget that these are not in the majority.

JFK said it best:

"So, let us not be blind to our differences - but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved."

I also think he said something like:

A mistake doesn't have to be an error unless you refuse to address it (or something along those lines).

WBCCI has not embraced generational differences, drawn any strength on the basic common interests. Nor has WBCCI learned from mistakes they've had clear indicators to (membership numbers) for nearly or beyond 10 years as pointed out in the charts on this thread.

It really is a shame too. In concept WBCCI should be the perfect place for Airstreamers of all types to meet and hangout. However, if you look back historically, these same folks that now occupy the ranks didn't want to let Argosy trailers in, many have issues with the Basecamp, yet now these same folks were having open discussions about maybe letting other non-Airstream built RVs into the club?

It all just seems so backassward to me.

I personally do enjoy the forum rallies that take place. From what I head that was the way WBCCI use to be until the inmates took control of the asylum. Of course, if you'd like I can tell you what I really feel.
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