i posted these comments in another thread but they fit here too.
so i will elaborate on some of the points and reply to some of the relevant postings from others....
Originally Posted by 2airishuman
unit #000 is still the largest defined block
unit #000 continues to add the most new members
month and yearly...
unit #000 members pay the most
unit #000 members give the most money
DIRECTLY to 'club central'
unit #000 needs to be recognized
unit #000 should be appreciated for the potential it holds
unit #000 may be a temporary stop for some but,
unit #000 is the GOAL
of many, to be 'at large' within the club.
unit #000 is the key to
long term INTERNATIONAL club prosperity
unless and until unit #000 is viewed in a different light
membership and MOST local units will continue to decline
even the few fun, healthy, active, growing local units need unit #000
currently only a few local leaders 'get' the value of unit #000
and fewer still want to EMPOWER the members of unit #000
the current policy of member apartheid
is an old poison that weakens the whole...
give FULL MEMBERSHIP privileges to unit #000
power to the people at large
well the feb. bb arrived last week, it lists approx 90-100 new members...
and 1/3rd are unit #000
that's correct, 30 MORE PALs joined; this happens about every time they run the list.
the mem chair suggests reviewing the folks in a given region and trying to get them to join a local unit....
this notion might
work for a few, but ONLY a few...
and that was the ONLY idea express for boosting the PALs experience....
otoh the same member chair suggested RESIGNING folks who...
1. sold their trailer
2. got NO trailer or moho
3. don't travel or camp at all or in any other brand unit...
4. sign these folks back up TO the clud/unit because they will still be useful CONTRIBUTORS!!!
--well that's hogwash folks. mouthfulls of hogwash.
moosetags very clearly explained HOW MANY MANY COUPLES FEEL in his post...
Originally Posted by moosetags
We are avid Airstreamers, and very active campers. In the last year and a half, we have spent over 200 nights in our Lucy, and pulled her almost 30,000 miles all over the country.
We had been WBCCI Members at Large. It is unfortunate that the acronym for this class of membership is MAL. It almost makes it sound like these members are the "malcontent" wing of the club, and therefore prohibited from voting on any club issues, and forced pay the highest dues. I consider these policies stupid on the part of the club.
Last year we joined the newly forming 4CU in New Mexico in order to have a vote in the Moho issue, and to save a few bucks on our WBCCI dues
SuEllyn and I are not congregators. We prefer to do our own thing, and are not generally into group activities. We are not antisocial, but our "herding instinct" is limited. We have been to several Airstream rallies and have enjoyed them, but would not want to make rallies a stready camping diet. Caravans are not our thing, either. I would as soon have a root canal as go on a caravan.
Maybe if WBCCI treated its Members at Large with the respect and consideration that they deserve, the club would not be declining in membership.
We plan to remain WBCCI members because it is the Airstream club and we want to be a members of it.
There are more Airstreams and Airstreamers out there than ever, and WBCCI membership continues to decline. Maybe there is a message there.
so instead of despising PALs and trying to pigeonhole PALs, the ibt and home office should be trying to establish and provide VALUE
(not values) for these folks....
it would be very easy to survey JUST unit #000 and find out what value they seek or would like the club to offer...
-those that wanna vote
COULD easily do so through ANY unit that has online voting
JOINING the unit.
-a simple 'voting' plan could be in place quickly and in use quickly for all international or club wide issues.
-those that want MORE TRAVEL RELATED SERVICES
could review a package of services like fmcs or goodsam offer...
(a credit card with an a/s logo
-other services might be trip/route planning like aaa or koa...
-REAL DISCOUNTS for camping at MAJOR CHAINS (like KOA)...
-a special online gathering spot (on the aforum or wb' site) with chat times, those seeking travel partners, or impromptu caravan and rallies...
-a booklet (print and online) for first time or beginner campers, filled with the sort of stuff that gets shared at club meetings or on unit websites. this wouldn't be hard to assemble and each month a new 'section' on some key topic could be sent out to the unit #000 folks...
this is a short list, i've got dozens of other things PALs might like, but a survey of the PALs would better focus on MEETING THEIR TRAVEL NEEDS...
i posted that unit #000 is the FUTURE of the club and believe it....
they should be treated like CUSTOMERS who may soon spend time and energy and money toward improving the entire club
instead of like flakes that get brushed off and blown away
b'cup made this reply....
Originally Posted by Buttercup
Well, some may find this interesting when discussing this topic. The VAC currently has 760+ members and of that we have currently 96 members at last count which means about 12%. However, MALs account for about 20% of the new members joining the club, at least since I have taken over as the membership chair.
So I go out of my way to work with the people coming in and tell them about the units in their area and the dues, etc... And in the event a new members is not happy with the unit near them I encourage them to join WDCU for a dollar because it is cheaper and better than being a MAL.
I agree in part with what 2air says but I do believe that it is not the MALs that make up the future of the club but rather the units who adapt, modernize and maintain a progressive vision who are the future of the club. 4CU and WDCU is a prime example of the way it should be done in my opinion. And in case anybody is wondering - the unit with the most members in the VAC is the WDCU with 73...and growing.
i am thrilled to see b'cup
is the mem chair now for the old trailer club.
i've no doubt he will be organized and very welcoming
to the folks who join, and they
won't be scared off by dried egg on his chin
or ensure breath
twink offered this post ...
Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
Interesting...thanks for posting this.
So, if these are even remotely near acutal (taking into consideration a +/- factor as this is not scientific in any way), then what I am hearing is that on average, about 3.9% is what is being lost annually (within the last 5 year window). I wonder how many of these departing were from "natural causes" vs. how many have simply left? The real question also is, where are the nearly 10k (2000 new units/yr for last 5 years) new Airstream owners? That number too high? Then where are the 5000 (1000 new units/yr for the last 5 years) new Airstream owners?
If this trend continues for the most part on course as it has, then it may be a fair estimate that 10 years from now, 40% of the current membership could be gone. In 20 years, nearly 80% of the membership could be gone unless there is some stop to the exodus by means of both some kind of recruitment or rentention. Could the remaining 20% left in 20 years be the units we are talking about today that have been bucking the trend of the overall org?
Could this mean that the *glory* days of WBCCI are behind it and that these hanfuls of units become really it?
well the true glory days for a/s production were the 70s when 5,000 units were produced yearly and the decade resulted in the most a/s units EVER PRODUCT (before or after)...
and the glory days for the club coincided with time, when the club was OWNED and SUPPORTED and largely operated with the full assistance of the a/s corporation.
after the club was given independence by a/s, the wb' decline began and continues today.
there is NO evidence of ANY revitalization of the wb,
there are pockets of bloom (some units and intraclubs)
and these happen with folks saying "ignore the international, ibt or club polictics, and just come have fun with us!"
there are 135+ units.
--perhaps 15 are thriving, growing, changing, attracting fun new members and otherwise filling the local members needs.
--another 20 or 30 or considered 'healthy because they maintain the status quo...whatever that is.
these healthy units don't do much, don't attack new young families and aren't trying to make the changes that are critical to become like the top 15.
mostly they are happen with the status quo, isolated from new member pools, and 'generational units' that function like a family, because THEY ARE ALL RELATED...
==that leave about 100 units that are dying or dysfunctional or fictional units... yes FICTIONAL units.
so i'll close this post responding to streamer23, who is doing the unit tabulation.....
Originally Posted by streamer23
Well 2air it seems that any mention of MAL's will bring a response from you....It's funny,I have a lot of PAL's
that are regular unit members.
Interesting that you would intentially re-up late to avoid the directory.A man of mystery.I guess I will have to adjust my PAL total each year to accomodate you.
You show a lot of energy and passion for the club.It would be great if we all could work together towards a common goal....:
i "LEARNED" the reup late trick from a unit officer, who suggested it.
see there are LOTS of folks that don't want their home address published in a book, in part because if you travel enough the HOUSE IS EMPTY, so why advertise it.
the home office ONLY HAS ONE DATABASE for member information.
apparently the concept of multiple versions for different purposes hasn't been introduced there....
so there ONE DATABASE/SPREADSHEET is used for member mailing, bb, mailings, the directory and the renewal form...
IF you register and ASK to be left out of the directory, they simple DELETE all your info from the database.
that will keep you out of the booklet, but also means NO BB and NO renewal and NO registration packet for the international...
so this wise officer suggest that to simply stay of the booklet, rejoin LATE.
then one will receive all of the mailing , including a booklet that doesn't have your info in it....
jeez, with just a couple of keystrokes they could have multiple databases, one for renewals, one for the booklet, one for the bb and one for international rally goes....
but that wouldn't be how it's been done for years.....
the ship is CLEARLY STILL SINKING,
a few party boats are floating along
for the main vessel to reverse direction and survive it needs an entirely new ship and new crew and future destination....