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Old 08-23-2007, 08:48 AM   #15
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"myboyburt has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - WBCCI Forums Exercises Censorship - in the WBCCI Forum forum of Airstream Forums.
Here is the message that has just been posted:
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During a unit officer training session at the recent region 1 rally our Region President told us the WBCCI had decided to remove political posts from it's forum. The club wants it's forum to be a place to ask questions about events, rallies, trailer maintenance, etc and not a place to debate club issues. I don't understand why they removed the thread about the NEU Wedding Rally that was held this year, maybe there was a political statement in one of the reply posts. Who knows.

IMO this is not a smart move for the WBCCI. Members need to be heard and should not have to jump through hoops (meaning having to contact a unit or region officer to have their concerns or suggestions presented to Headquarters). Our Regional President told us WBCCI members can debate club issues on the AirForums and at SaveWally. Neither are an official part of the WBCCI so that seems strange to me. Also heard Leo from SaveWally was part of the decision to change the WBCCI forum, maybe he can provide us with insight. Leo?
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Questions only...oh brother! As if replies are just flying out of there...NOT! The chasm grows. Give members an inch and they think they own the club! Why they oughtta just squelch that right in the bud, eh? Upstarts think they have won twice with the name change and the motorhome issue, this could be dangerous...They don't need no stinkin input or interference from lackeys! Well, I think I will be saving that membership money this year for my own gas and pancakes and appreciation dinners, thank you very much. Can't say that so many have not tried to pull them along. They don't need volunteers they need carbon copies of themselves, do not be fooled. It's all illusion. Propoganda stamped out from the top. We have zero representation in actuality. It is not a club government it is a monarch. There are no checks and balances. No wonder they beleaguer the point to just go camping ang have fun, they don't want any meddlesome thorns in their side to rock THEIR boat.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:55 AM   #16
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So I went over to see what was up with this and to my surprise my subscribed threads are gone and I have less posts than I did last time I was there. Some seem to think this is a software issue, I don't think it is. If it was you would have the same thread titles I would think. The forums has the look and feel of being cleansed. Not a good thing IMOP.

I copied my post from there below :

I noticed that all of the threads I subscribed to are gone ! Also noticed that the code of ethics, which btw is read only, is blank. So can I assume that there is no code of ethics ?
I also noticed I have only 7 posts. While I don't post here a whole lot I know posted more that that. I read more than post.
It is my opinion that erasing the past posts is akin to trying to erase recent WBCCI history. If you forget/ignore the past you are doomed to repeat it.
Of course some things are worth repeating !
The people that log in here and read the posts should be able to read EVERYTHING that has gone on since this forum was created. The good, the bad and the ugly.
If this is a software issue I feel it should be addressed
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:56 AM   #17
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Jim, I concur with Jim & Susan. I don't know what happened. The link you provided has a format error that I can't rearrange to get it to work. Looking at a couple different indicators there is no hint that a post was removed. Would the text you quoted have warranted removal from an AIR Forums thread? Under no circumstances!

I believe I can speak for the mod team in saying that we would prefer not to hinder this conversation. Jim, thanks for re-posting the text. Maybe Michelle would concur in this thread that she attempted to make the post. I want y'all to get back to this thread and I consider more moderator posts a distraction.
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Old 08-23-2007, 09:21 AM   #18
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It is possible that the person who made that post went back and edited it. There is a window of edit time, but the note that you recieve of a new post is sent almost immediatly. If you edit a post in the first five minutes after it's made there is no record that it was editied. After five minutes, a little log note is made that an edit was made but not what the actual edits are.
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Old 08-23-2007, 09:52 AM   #19
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the wb' is more like an bizarro borg...

gradually removing biological distinctiveness...

the membership.

and never had any technology...

unless cb radios count...

the wb will dis similate

resisting THAT is futile...

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Questions only...oh brother! As if replies are just flying out of there...NOT! The chasm grows. Give members an inch and they think they own the club! Why they oughtta just squelch that right in the bud, eh? Upstarts think they have won twice with the name change and the motorhome issue, this could be dangerous...They don't need no stinkin input or interference from lackeys! Well, I think I will be saving that membership money this year for my own gas and pancakes and appreciation dinners, thank you very much. Can't say that so many have not tried to pull them along. They don't need volunteers they need carbon copies of themselves, do not be fooled. It's all illusion. Propoganda stamped out from the top. We have zero representation in actuality. It is not a club government it is a monarch. There are no checks and balances. No wonder they beleaguer the point to just go camping ang have fun, they don't want any meddlesome thorns in their side to rock THEIR boat.
I absolutely love your assessment, Carol.

I have just sent WBCCI HQ an email alerting them that someone has really messed up their forums. I'll let you know what their answer is, if I even get one.

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Old 08-23-2007, 01:15 PM   #22
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Thanks Brian. You know we can zig when they say zig and zag when they say zag and play by all the rules and if they think you still have a fighting chance they just bring out another dragon.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:18 PM   #23
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Concerning the WBCCI Forum (or whatever it is in reality):
On July 10, I posted a reply to PeeWee’s very negative opinions about the Cape Town to Cairo caravan. I recommended he read recent Algonquin College African Expedition website which traveled the same route.

I’m a registered WBCCI forum member but my message didn’t show up. I sent it a second time- -no luck. I sent a message to the Webmaster- -no response. I telephoned WBCCI HQ and politely ask what I did wrong. She (?) checked and saw that I posted a message, but that it had to go to “Tech Support.” I asked why? And is “Tech Support” at the WBCCI HQ or off site somewhere? I was told it is not there but someplace else. In an hour someone else posted a message on the same thread, but mine had to go to “tech support.” Strange- -maybe they don't like me.

I send an Email to WBCCI HQ, and on July 11, Cindy Reed replied: "Our tech support company will look into these issues and contact you." Ok, thank you. Now after a month, I give up and don’t care about their “Forum” or whatever it is.

A few days letter PeeWee posted exactly the same message here on AIRFourms. I replied with my same recommendation. He responded as expected.

So now I know what an open forum is and what the WBCCI forum is.
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Old 08-23-2007, 03:10 PM   #24
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That is just terrible. Aren't you glad you have better sponsors for the caravan now? You have just been spared frustration upon frustration from WBCCI. I was a little suspect of the "have fun" campaign spread across multi forums and its appearance all of a sudden. Coincidence? Possibly. Wanting to post to replies on a personal level, no...no chit chat, a position and stance was what it was. Once delivered it seems the mission may be over for the time being. With some of the reverence being dished out aplenty, I almost thought I was on Moses' mountain for awhile.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:13 PM   #26
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I contacted Cindy Reed at WBCCI when I figured out that threads in the WBCCI.org forums were being automatically deleted when they were inactive for about 28-30 days. I got an email back today from Cindy Reed that stated that she has contacted the forum provider and the provider is working to restore the deleted threads. I guess time will tell if that effort is successful. I hope so.

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It's funny, for an organization so resistant to change, they sure are trying to make a lot changes...all for the bad: name change, SOB motorhomes, NAZI book burnings...wait, that hasn't happened at a WBCCI rally yet has it--I guess it's just a matter of time, though! I mean, they haven't had time for another rally since the International, but Labor Day is coming up and I know our unit has a rally that weekend. Quick, everybody hide your copy of "Capetown to Cairo"!
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:52 AM   #28
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I don't know what happened to myboyburt's post. It does not appear to have been deleted by the Mods. I'll ask one of the Admins to look into it.

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I wondered too. I did the post on my Treo, at the Airport - could have gotten messed up due to a poor cell phone connection. I did the much shorter version of my post when it looked like I lost the first one. Hate the tiny keys on my mobile....
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