Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-21-2007, 10:54 AM   #1
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,039
WBCCI Forum- Voting Procedures

Can some one explain the voting procedures for the International for me and how they are tabulated?

Members have a unit vote then the votes are "calculated" to include 100% of the units' vote on the basis of the average of votes taken of those in attendance, or the president will vote in leu of that. Each unit then has a delegate to send to present their unit vote, or the delegate can vote his choice in leu of that. Then as the vote is taken and calculated how is that added up? Does each unit get one vote regardless of the number of members in each unit, or do they give a total of yes and no votes that all get tabulated for the club?

Thanks.
__________________

__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 11:08 AM   #2
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
hi c'

this info still seems to apply....

are u gonna check the constitution and bylaws of every unit?

i'd imagine many boiler plate these bits with modifications for unique aspects in a given unit/member base.

many threads linked to searches on 'unit weighting' 'unit voting strength' or related terms,

and i do seem to remember someone posting on this issue last march/april...

but i ain't readin' that stuff again

cheers
2air'


Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
Each Unit's Delegate will have a number of votes based on the number of members in their Unit. They will vote "yes", "no" or "abstain" based on how their Unit's members direct them to. Each Unit has written in their Bylaws how the Delegate's vote is to be directed and how the Delegate is to be selected. If there is a question as to how your Unit arrives at their Delegate's directive, look to your Unit's Constitution & Bylaws for clarification or ask your President or any Executive Board Member, they should be listed (along with the Constitution & Bylaws) in your Annual Directory or on your Unit's website: DenCO Website - Bylaws, Article 6 Delegates.
__________________

__________________
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 11:44 AM   #3
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,039
I know Sharon explained the weighted voting very well, I shall go do a search through some threads but I was not certain that after the unit vote was gotten any one described it from there.

What I am angling to find out is just how much my vote counts. And next year if I do join again I would probably join as a MAL with or without a vote. Where does my vote go and what does my vote do, that's my quest today.
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 12:38 PM   #4
4 Rivet Member
 
Stream 1529's Avatar
 
2004 34' Classic S/O
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 294
Images: 19
My Vote Counts

We just completed our rally meeting, and the vote process was explained to us. Our delegate, the Unit President, will vote accoriding to individual votes. A ballot will be sent to all unit members, and will be tallied for and against. So, if 30 members vote to allow SOB's into WBCCI, and 46 vote against the motion our delegate will cast 30 votes for and 46 votes against.

I was worried that it would be a block vote based on the plurality of the individual member votes.

__________Tom
__________________
Blog: www.travelpod.com/members/wbcci1529
'04 34' Classic S/O lounge, dome king, twin a/c, faux fireplace to keep the wife warm , equa-li-zer, prodigy, 4 birds, dog - no kids allowed!

'05 Excursion 4x4, 6.0 PSD, magnaflow, helwig anti-sway, air lift springs.
Stream 1529 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 12:55 PM   #5
Rivet Master
 
wkerfoot's Avatar
 
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange , California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stream 1529
We just completed our rally meeting, and the vote process was explained to us. Our delegate, the Unit President, will vote accoriding to individual votes. A ballot will be sent to all unit members, and will be tallied for and against. So, if 30 members vote to allow SOB's into WBCCI, and 46 vote against the motion our delegate will cast 30 votes for and 46 votes against.

I was worried that it would be a block vote based on the plurality of the individual member votes.

__________Tom
Tom,

What about the votes of those members who do not vote?

Bill
__________________
Bill Kerfoot, WBCCI/VAC/CAC/El Camino Real Unit #5223
Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA

http://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
wkerfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 01:00 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,039
Thanks for the reply. So then each unit will have two totals that they add those all together and that's it. That's pretty straight forward then.

What is a block vote? Just for or against? Is that when the unit president votes for everyone? If that happened how does that get tabulated onto your units count then, as 100% (either for or against) the number of their members?
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 06:05 PM   #7
4 Rivet Member
 
jimmickle's Avatar
 
2000 31' Land Yacht
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 497
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stream 1529
We just completed our rally meeting, and the vote process was explained to us. Our delegate, the Unit President, will vote accoriding to individual votes. A ballot will be sent to all unit members, and will be tallied for and against. So, if 30 members vote to allow SOB's into WBCCI, and 46 vote against the motion our delegate will cast 30 votes for and 46 votes against.

I was worried that it would be a block vote based on the plurality of the individual member votes.

__________Tom
As I read the Blue Book, Article XVII, Delegate Voting, the total votes of the unit are to be divided to the same ratio as the actual vote. For example if only 10 members of a fifty member unit vote and the vote is six to four, then the vote at international should be 30 to 20.
__________________
jimmickle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 07:56 PM   #8
4 Rivet Member
 
WayWard Wind's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 424
No matter how the votes are counted, one must be prepared for some ---well ---chaff. We have our unit meeting the middle of May and it will be interesting to hear how the members feel regarding this issuse.
Best,
__________________
Home of the Wayward Wind

Bogfrog & Mr. Turbo

If in life you stumble, make it part of the dance
WayWard Wind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 08:07 PM   #9
Rivet Master
 
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,941
Having been a delegate a number of times and had to set thru alot of roll call tabulations, I can tell you that almost half of the units use the block vote. Each unit has the choice to to do it what ever way they want. The deligate from a block voting unit votes whatever number of members headquarters says they have. We can never be sure how the unit arrived at their method of voting but it is what it is. If you are in the majority in a unit and really want your vote to count and your unit to have their fair share in how the outcome comes out, you should have your unit use the block vote system if it is allowed by your unit constitution. The way it actually occurs it is a little like the US presidential electorial college. If some units use the proportional vote method and some use the block method the block units have more of a say in how the election will turn out. One member equal one vote in the system we have is never equal if half the units use the block system. You can easily have the majority of the members be against a proposition and have the minority that have local control of block voting units win the election. The only way it turns out fair is if every unit would use the block system.
__________________
dwightdi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 08:22 PM   #10
Rivet Master
 
wkerfoot's Avatar
 
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange , California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwightdi
Having been a delegate a number of times and had to set thru alot of roll call tabulations, I can tell you that almost half of the units use the block vote. Each unit has the choice to to do it what ever way they want. The deligate from a block voting unit votes whatever number of members headquarters says they have. We can never be sure how the unit arrived at their method of voting but it is what it is. If you are in the majority in a unit and really want your vote to count and your unit to have their fair share in how the outcome comes out, you should have your unit use the block vote system if it is allowed by your unit constitution. The way it actually occurs it is a little like the US presidential electorial college. If some units use the proportional vote method and some use the block method the block units have more of a say in how the election will turn out. One member equal one vote in the system we have is never equal if half the units use the block system. You can easily have the majority of the members be against a proposition and have the minority that have local control of block voting units win the election. The only way it turns out fair is if every unit would use the block system.
Dwight,

I disagree, proportional voting is better. For example, if every unit voted 51/49 in favor of a constitutional amendment and all units used block voting, the amendment would pass 100% for and 0% against, when the popular vote was 51% for and 49% against. With proportional voting, the amendment fails since it does not have 2/3 in favor.

Bill
__________________
Bill Kerfoot, WBCCI/VAC/CAC/El Camino Real Unit #5223
Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA

http://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
wkerfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 08:50 PM   #11
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,039
Thanks Dwight and Bill. Both great responses and I am learning a lot. It sounds like if I were in a unit that voted the block and in the minority then my vote would only matter in establishing majority/minority. Am I correct to assume that a vote is taken to find out who is the majority and what they want? Then are both types of voting procedures conducted alike with a member vote and then the block unit going one step further in strategy to block? Is that block vote something that can be chosen to be exercised or not, and if it is an option is it to be opted for 1. before or 2. after each vote is taken?

But Dwight didn't say block had the advantage if all units voted the block just that if it is divided the block units could have the advantage over the proportional voting units, right?

This is not so straight forward, rather involved, I'd say.

Jim thanks for simplifying the proportional voting method. I can see if only a handful of members get together to vote and are possibly of the same mind and the majority misses the vote it might not reflect the majority's wishes only the wishes of those in attendance.

Wayward I think you are absolutely right about that. If it were not for the past two proposed motions of the name change and the brand identity of the club I would not have begun to delve further into understanding the workings of the club.
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2007, 08:57 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
wkerfoot's Avatar
 
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange , California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,667
I have no problem with "grossing up" the actual vote to the number of votes given the unit. I do object to "winner takes all" voting. I do object to the delegate voting his or her conscience on constitutional amendments. These are items which the entire membership should have a vote on and the motion should not be amended from the floor at the delegates meeting like what happened with the name change last year.

Bill
__________________
Bill Kerfoot, WBCCI/VAC/CAC/El Camino Real Unit #5223
Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA

http://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
wkerfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2007, 11:00 AM   #13
Rivet Master
 
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,941
From what I heard Jim Franklin got the feeling after attending a few local and regional rallies that the vote last year was not going well. He proposed informally at a Region Rally that the Amendment be modified to read Wally Byam Airstream Club. After it looked at the delegates meeting there was opposition to AOAI someone proposed from the floor that the name be changed to WBACI and a number of delegates then switched their units votes and it almost passed. I think something like that might happen again this year. Right now the Fourwinds proposal looks like it will be blown out of the water but someone at the delegates meeting may try to propose some kind of compromise and try to get the delegates to switch their votes. There will be lots of political intrigue at this years International as well. Contoversey creates interest but it is divides the membership into taking sides.
__________________
dwightdi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2007, 11:57 AM   #14
4 Rivet Member
 
jimmickle's Avatar
 
2000 31' Land Yacht
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 497
It is interesting that units are allowed to have voting proceedures in direct conflict with the Blue Book. Looks like the Constution and Bylaws committee didn't do their work very well.

My unit uses proportional voting, and will vote 100% no if even one word in the proposed amendment is changed.
__________________

__________________
jimmickle is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WBCCI Membership for free thenewkid64 WBCCI Forum 17 05-01-2011 11:17 PM
No Forum Button Cat Off Topic Forum 3 11-19-2002 09:07 AM
Forum Rally's - Anyone interested? John Our Community 26 10-30-2002 11:27 AM
Regarding WBCCI Membership...How about this??? InsideOut Our Community 1 08-31-2002 09:16 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.