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Old 01-25-2011, 12:55 AM   #57
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Forrest, Thank you for all your work on being on top of all the roadblocks they put in front of the Denco unit. You fought fire with fire and they knew you had them over a barrel. Yes, they could have ignore you but I think there were to many unit presidents who sent e-mails to our region presidents and Bue with our concerns that ignoring this issue will cost them members and lots of members. The Internet is a wonderful thing.
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Old 01-25-2011, 03:37 PM   #58
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Forrest, your tenacity and instructionalism enlightened the International Board. Without your expertise, "Blue Pearl" struck the nail on the head. If the EC-7 didn't reconsider, IMHO, there might have been a mass exedus of members not renewing.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:19 PM   #59
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What I find troubling is the fact that this group of experienced and capable officers/leaders of this organization have so much trouble reading and interpreting their own by-laws and constitution. A working knowledge of the constitution and by-laws should be a prerequisite of election not an afterthought.

Maybe I just expect too much. Dan
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I've never read the WBCCI constitution and bylaws, but part of the problem may be that they are poorly drafted and need a team of lawyers to understand them. Whenever there are ambiguities, that leaves plenty of room for people to interpret them in a way that supports what they want to believe.

Anyway, glad you guys got your amendment moving along. I don't think it will solve all the problems, but it's a start and you've got to keep at it.

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I've never read the WBCCI constitution and bylaws, but part of the problem may be that they are poorly drafted and need a team of lawyers to understand them. Whenever there are ambiguities, that leaves plenty of room for people to interpret them in a way that supports what they want to believe.

Anyway, glad you guys got your amendment moving along. I don't think it will solve all the problems, but it's a start and you've got to keep at it.

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I agree with what you are saying Gene, but I'm still troubled that the initial reaction of leadership was to deny the wishes of membership rather then embrace them. This group of members went through a good faith effort to present an idea and that effort was dismissed.

I'm glad Forest was able to defend his position and this may be the start of good things to come.

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I agree with what you are saying Gene, but I'm still troubled that the initial reaction of leadership was to deny the wishes of membership rather then embrace them. This group of members went through a good faith effort to present an idea and that effort was dismissed.

I'm glad Forest was able to defend his position and this may be the start of good things to come.

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From what I see, WBCCI leadership was doing what they have been doing for far too long. They decided to find a plausible way to quash the wishes of a significant number of mere members, and did. Despicable.

Forrest of course deserves an enormous amount of credit, here, but so do the Region Presidents who called for a special meeting of the IBT and convinced President Beu to reconsider his position. It sounds like it was their pressure that finally turned this.

Good job, all.


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Thank you all for the compliments. One of the things that Region President Neumarkel wrote to Int'l President Beu was that Robert's Rules were never intended to be used as a means to keep the membership at bay (he said this a little differently - I'm paraphrasing). And that is my outlook. Rules and laws should serve us, not the other way around. But there are a lot of people in the world that feel rules are more important than people. I know because there was a time when I was one of them.
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Forrest, what I admire in all this is your ability to take a long view toward a goal and then perform all the large and small tasks that had to be done in order to keep moving forward. Most of us are so much into instant gratification (in my case, I fear that it is a chronic lack of focus I suffer from).

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Can someone please point me in the direction of what the actual Denver Unit proposed Amendment says? If is already covered in this or another post, I apologize.
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Thank you very much wkerfoot. I also found post #10 very helpful.
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drum roll, please; and the envelope ? ? ?

So the meeting was last week -- and the much awaited results are ? ? ?
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So the meeting was last week -- and the much awaited results are ? ? ?
My particular interest in this past Mid-Winter IBT meeting was in the 2020 Committee, Constitution Revision Committee, the Motorhome Committee and Forrest's amendment. All were disappointingly incompleted. Basically every thing was just slowed down, put on hold, and the clock left ticking. I haven't heard a report on the food, tours and entertainment however. It may indeed have been a roaring success of an IBT party.

The WBCCI posted agenda is complete with committee reports and a reading here will be very informative.

http://www.wbcci.org/documents/IBT%20Agenda%20January%2028%202010%20revised.pdf

From memory, these are the points I remember most about the meetings. Anyone please fill in as desired what struck you most or what I have left out.

-million dollars in assets

-for 2013 and 2014 and forward there will be a $20,000 limit on International spending to set up rally unless approved for additional funds

-promotional items for internationals curtailed such as notebooks, magnets, etc., and or limit giveaways to a much smaller amount to the first sign-ups for the rally

-2020 did not proceed as much as possible not knowing direction club would be heading

-Motorhome study committee incomplete, no commitment from Airstream or Thor or representative in attendence

-New motorhome committee to be formed (beat that drum!) This does not originate from the general membership but from the leadership again even after being voted down overwhelmingly by the members

-How to get membership money from deceased members(though it was commented that they would no longer be members)

-constitution revision committee is led by the parlimentarian (note: the constitution and bylaws committee is headed by PIP Don Shaffer, that sets a tone.) The report says the new constitution is incomplete and though it was not presented at the meeting it will be forthcoming... not the report for any meeting discussion but the then completed amended constitution for a unit vote to be delivered for our yea or nay (???) It eliminates delegates entirely and will give fewer individuals leadership control of the club, and guess which ones that might be.

-Forrest's member driven amendment thrown out on technicality after prior assurance of it going forward with the subsequent withdrawal of the backup motion for consideration

-shall, may, or can word selection discussion, then discovery it was not part of item

-two new flags voted in and parlimentarian found new way to save time by approving a grouped number of items for acceptance

-membership down- MALs alive and strong in numbers

-2 new special event or national rallies added, some rallies dropped

-one grievance and was dismissed as being a matter for the courts of possible slander

-one child registered for Duquoin international rally but more expected. Trip to buffalo farm planned.

-2011 International will have Frank Sinatra soundalike vocalist, bluegrass band and special doll BYO seminar for the ladies

-2012 international will have 3 point hookups

-Most regions missed the required number of points to earn merit award by a small number and should work harder with the merit award packet, many regions did not have a plan or a goal outlined, 4 regions recognized

-use the rv parks in the index to keep them participating in the discount program

-international relations no guests are currently expected

-pr and rally promotions looking for local radio and newspaper in DuQuoin to promote WBCCI and International

-marketing has led interst to club and now up to members to recruit and retain membership

-electronic committee report had no mention of forum (?)

-historical has much at WBCCI headquarters and wants to display more

-geneology intra club dropped
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