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Old 03-21-2006, 12:07 PM   #29
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Great ideas here. I'd like to pick up a few ideas to have ready for the children we get to see and meet even our own grandkids. What please tell is a boondoggle?
Boondoggle, like many words in the English language, has different meanings depending on the context:

Boondoggle is a North American term which has come to refer to the performance of useless or trivial tasks while appearing to be doing something important. In the United States, the key feature of this "art" is the waste of time and/or money involved. In Canada, however, the term has come to mean, more specifically, a government scandal involving the wasting or misallocation of public funds causing a project to be well over-budget, frequently more than double or triple the original cost.
Originally the term was boon doogle referring to a bone or metal ring used to secure the scarf of a Boy Scout (also called a woggle). American Scoutmaster Robert H. Link (died 1959) is credited with coining the term. From this, the term came to refer to the lanyards worn on the uniform of a scout, or to similar small decorative objects. Boondoggle has also come to refer in the USA for the plaiting craft known elsewhere as Scoubidou, since many such objects are made by this craft. For examples of "boondoggle" in this sense, refer to the article on the movie Napoleon Dynamite.
"Boondoggle" in the sense of a term for a project that wastes time and money, first appeared during the Great Depression in the 1930s, referring to the millions of jobs given to unemployed men and women to try to get the economy moving again, as part of the New Deal. It came into common usage after a 1935 New York Times headline claimed that over $3 million had been spent teaching the jobless how to make boon doggles1.
In more recent times the term "Boondoggle" has come to refer to a government or corporate project involving large numbers of people and usually, heavy expenditure, where at some point the key operators have realized that the project is never going to work, but are reluctant to bring this to the attention of their superiors. Generally there is an aspect of "going through the motions", (for example, continuing research and development), for as long as funds are available to keep paying the researchers' and executives' salaries and so on. The situation can be allowed to continue for what seem like unreasonably long periods, as senior management are often reluctant to admit that they allowed a failed project to go on for so long. In many cases, the actual device itself may eventually work, but not well enough to ever recoup its development costs.
An important aspect of the Boondoggle, as opposed to a project that simply fails, is the eventual realization by its operators that it is never going to work, long before it is finally shut down. This is not the same thing as simply fraud, where the proponents know in advance that their idea has no merit.
One example of this was the RCA "Selectavision" (CED) video disk system project, commenced in the early 1960s and allowed to drag on for nearly 20 years, long after cheaper and better alternatives had come to market. RCA were estimated to have spent about $US750 million (1985 dollars) on this commercially useless system, which was one of the factors leading to its bankruptcy in 1988.
Another is the Anglo-French Concorde Supersonic Passenger aircraft. As with the Selectavision system, although actual planes were built and regular services maintained for decades, the income from this has barely made a dent in the actual cost of the project. In this case, by the early 1970s it had already become painfully obvious that the advantages of supersonic flight were going to be nowhere near enough to compete with the low fares made possible by slower but much more cost-effective American aircraft.
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Awesome, yuki-lol! I truly like the first explaination...I think that's what I'll start telling my husband I'm doing when I'm really HERE- ! Although then he'll want to see my boondoggle-lol!

I do think it is some sort of box weave. Yes, it is time consuming, but my mother couldn't do just a little one-lol! But it has made for a very interesting item. Anyway, I have no idea if there are written instructions, but someone in the Orlando unit showed her how to do it and she started showing our 10 year old. Heck, they could even do just one frawn, that'd be enough for most.

I think most kids would like a scavenger hunt-heck, I think we adults call that geocaching-lol!

None the less, this thread is heading in the right direction-getting the kids involved in the unit-what a great thing!
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Yes, there are instructions...

The "pattern" my mother used was a "north, south, east, west" pattern where you slice the frawn into four and use the formentioned pattern. She said there is a real trick to the end "move" to get it to stay together. You can also use much smaller palms and they are suppsed to look like little pineapples-to welcome new people- .
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Old 03-21-2006, 05:42 PM   #32
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Seems like I remember a "junior ranger" program in the national parks??? We saw some 5-12 year old kids running around looking very involved finding or identifying items relative to the area. This was fun for them and (here's the teacher in me) certainly educational about the place they were visiting. Does anyone know more about this? Probably is similar to the scavenger hunt already mentioned--which kids of ALL ages seem to love. For a forum rally, a group could sub-committee to plan such an event for the kids--maybe team them up so everyone could feel attached to and get acquainted in the play group. Just a suggestion. ~G
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Why don't we ask the kids. I know we will get 5,000 answers, but some of thier ideas are good.
I would volunteer to work with kids doing crafts, or just watching them while they play so the parents can have 5 minutes to themselves. I'm sure others would also take turns. i noticed at the Sarasota rally, there wasn't a safe place for them to play. Why couldn't someone ask a local playground equipment company to set something up for the rally? Yes, I would be the one, if asked, to go ask them.
kids are not little grownups. they like to play, like to learn, and most like competition if geared to their ages. Not all kids like the same thing. There could be an area set up for "child care for a couple of hours for the the parents to get alone time.
I like the idea of cooking classes. There are many simple things the kids could make and have their own happy hour as was suggested above.
Let's put our collective heads together and make the changes we need. Don't sit back and wait for some one else to do it.
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Old 03-21-2006, 06:16 PM   #34
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Boondoggle, like many words in the English language, has different meanings depending on the context:

Boondoggle .
Thanks. Now who would have thought I would have come away learning so much from in amongst posts concerning child's play.
Now that I read your definitions, I do recall hearing the term before. They must have intricacies in common.

The pattern and pineapple shape (welcome symbol) would appeal to crafty parents as well. There was another weave of dandelions that I never knew how to do but always marveled at.

I liked making a kite and then flying it at camp.

Junior ranger programs and geocaching--all this is sounding very cool and above all interesting!!

I would volunteer some time to take a turn as sd90mac suggests. It doesn't have to be a rally specifically planned for children but a few great ideas and materials on hand to get the ball rolling at each function, add children and voulnteers then stir.
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Wow!

Had to be away from the computer today and I came back to a thread full of wonderful ideas and suggestions. Thanks!! everyone -- this is great!

On the nametag idea -- they have breakaway (safety) lanyards now for kids. These are good for age 4+, for smaller kids, a good ol' safety pin (or diaper pin --remember those?) to pin a lightweight nametag to their back, not front, where even if they know it's there they can't reach it to take it off. We've put i.d. info on a piece of cloth with permanent marker and pinned it to our kids back when we've gone out in crowds and it worked pretty well.

Yes, some kids like competition, some don't. Ours don't, and I'm getting the feeling from others in our unit that they don't either. Maybe it's a trend among Airstream families to get the trailer and get away from the organized team sports and competitive school activities we seem to be bombarded with. A lot of the ideas here are right on track though -- National Park Junior Ranger Program is great! geocaching, astronomy, photography, nature hikes -- all things that adults like to do and kids are drawn to when they see adults taking the time to share it with them. Pam's idea of a drive-in (walk-in?) movie night sounds fun. I know we have a few artistic adults and teenagers in our group and I think they might enjoy doing some nature sketching and painting together with the younger kids.

65glbtrotter -- those are great suggestions. (Note to self: make sure unit has a Bingo game in the game box -- bag of small prizes for Bingo, enough to spread around.) Storytime and singing -- excellent ideas. I'm sure we must have some musical talent in our unit to help with this. Field games are great for burning off kid energy; tossing a softball, throwing a football around, frisbees, kites.

The boondoggle thing sounds neat. I wish I could see a picture! I could really get into learning and doing some of the old-fashioned camp crafts. Oh wait, I forgot, this is for the kids isn't it?

Many of these ideas are wonderful and simple at the same time. The hard part is remembering them when you need them, and that's why getting them down in writing like this is such a huge help. Thank you, thank you!

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Old 03-21-2006, 09:02 PM   #36
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Family Fun

KOA has a site for family fun where you can download audio stories or print them out, games, color your own post cards. I have all that saved to my hard drive. You'd be surprised how many times a little face shows up and sticks around. Next time I want to be prepared.
http://www.koakampgrounds.com/familyzone/
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Maybe one idea would be for the region/unit to plan one yearly rally that is specifically family/child oriented. Maybe a rally at Disneyland or 6 Flags or whatever. Doesn't mean that everybody would have to attend that particular rally, or that the other rallies are designed not to appeal to families/children.

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Eubank -- This is a good idea! Two units in our region are getting together to host a family/youth rally in the fall -- the Great Pumpkin/Harvest Moon Youth Rally in Vermont. The rally theme and activities are focused on the kids, but I think it will be just as fun for adults.

Another rally that our unit is doing that I like (though I'm going to miss it this year) is a caravan during spring break week in April. Spring Break week is a good time to catch families for a caravan and a break from the winter doldrums before the camping season starts. This year they're going from New England to Amish country, Pennsylvania. Next year, I'm hoping spring break will fall near Cherry Blossom time in DC.
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Wonderful thread Jamie, you know you have my support! The WMNHU and the NEU are having their first YOUTH RALLY this year on October 6-9th in Townshend, Vt. "The Great Pumpkin Harvest Moon Rally". This event is for the kids. The entire weekend will be focused on the children in our combined Units.

Thanks for starting this thread Jamie!
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KOA has a site for family fun where you can download audio stories or print them out, games, color your own post cards. I have all that saved to my hard drive. You'd be surprised how many times a little face shows up and sticks around. Next time I want to be prepared.
http://www.koakampgrounds.com/familyzone/
Wheels -- thanks for this! I've been working on a family page for our unit's website and this will be a great link to add to it. Some others I've collected are:

http://www.gorving.com/Content/Navig...ds/default.htm (Go RVing! Cool for kids.)
www.gocampingamerica.com (fun for kids)
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/eclectic/f...pert/drive.htm (GORP's guide to driving with kids)
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/eclectic/f...pert/drive.htm (Travel Games Help Kids Learn)
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Great thread Jamie. I look forward to seeing the finished product (i.e., website)!
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ice-breakers for the 6-12 crowd?

We're looking for some ice-breaker games/activities for the 6-12 crowd, and the 12+ crowd for our upcoming Region rally. This would be something we could do at a meet-and-greet for families, where the kids could get to know each other a little and learn each others names. We'll have an equal mix of boys and girls. If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear from you!

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