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Old 06-17-2016, 02:51 PM   #85
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When I was still in the club I attended zero functions. My fault, I worked every weekend for over ten years. I didn't expect the schedule to be changed to accommodate me. I was treated very well by others in the unit.
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Old 06-18-2016, 07:55 AM   #86
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To the OP -- The Escapees will be having their https://www.escapees.com/knowledge/e.../56th-escapade at Essex Junction, VT from July 24-29/16. The Silver Bullets BOF (Airstreamers) have their annual meeting (actually just a dinner and gabfest). Escapades are much less formal and friendlier than any International I've attended.

85MH325 – Your observations are bang on and I quite agree with what you’ve said. Notwithstanding the protestations by some of the posters, “The Club” has marketing and social attitudes that reflect it past rigidity and exclusivity.

Mbmbstreamer – As a Director you can’t influence the past, but can do so for the future. Then here is your challenge: You and I had an exchange of postings (http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...-120353-2.html #14, 16 & 25). Fix this issue and ensure that *ALL* units have identical by-laws and rules and that these are *ALL* in conformity with the bylaws, code of ethics and rules for *ALL* units, *ALL* Regions and International.
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Old 06-18-2016, 06:27 PM   #87
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Would not want to see all units with the same by laws, etc....not a good idea.

However, I am amazed that nearly all of us agree that these sub units make joining wbcci worth it. My problem is this. The unit dues range from $1 to $15, the corporate office gets $65 and few people like the corporate level at least that is where most of the disapproval is directed.....so why don't we change that? Give more of the dues to the local units...that does not mean raise local sues, it means shift dollars from corporate to local. We went to one international and likely will never do another one. My personal complaint is that the organization at the corporate level is only focused on itself, and not the members.....not a useful purpose....
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Old 06-18-2016, 07:33 PM   #88
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?..You and I had an exchange of postings (http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...-120353-2.html #14, 16 & 25). Fix this issue and ensure that *ALL* units have identical by-laws and rules and that these are *ALL* in conformity with the bylaws, code of ethics and rules for *ALL* units, *ALL* Regions and International.
I'm not a WBCCI member, but as a noobie AS owner, I am interested in discussions of the club, on both sides.

Question please: I read the above link. So does membership in WBCCI come with rules regarding the contents of my trailer (reference whether I may / or may not carry a firearm)?

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Question please: I read the above link. So does membership in WBCCI come with rules regarding the contents of my trailer (reference whether I may / or may not carry a firearm)?
To the best of my recollection, the words "firearm" and "weapon" do not even appear in the WBCCI constitution and bylaws.

But since not all WBCCI members are agreed on the pro/anti gun issue, whether you carry firearms or not is best considered a "don't ask, don't tell" matter at any WBCCI function.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:24 PM   #90
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I'm not a WBCCI member, but as a noobie AS owner, I am interested in discussions of the club, on both sides.



Question please: I read the above link. So does membership in WBCCI come with rules regarding the contents of my trailer (reference whether I may / or may not carry a firearm)?



Thanks, Rich

To answer your question, no. And in my opinion it is nobodies business what I carry in my trailer or TV. Don't ask don't tell!
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Old 06-19-2016, 05:32 AM   #91
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To the best of my recollection, the words "firearm" and "weapon" do not even appear in the WBCCI constitution and bylaws.

But since not all WBCCI members are agreed on the pro/anti gun issue, whether you carry firearms or not is best considered a "don't ask, don't tell" matter at any WBCCI function.
Ok, thanks.

I wasn't trying to spark a 2a debate; just was curious what (if any) WBCCI guidelines are on the subject.

At the moment, we have our hands full just learning how to operate our AS. Perhaps we'll look for a local unit in our area (Tampa, more or less) and see if we fit in. From what I gather, it kind of depends on personalities, which is probably true in any group.

Having said that, I think what brings Airstreamers together is more important than minor squabbles. I guess whatever your group, WBCCI, Escapees, Airforums; all of us like the sense of Adventure of being on the road and meeting new people.



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I guess whatever your group, WBCCI, Escapees, Airforums; all of us like the sense of Adventure of being on the road and meeting new people.
Sadly, even that's not a foregone conclusion. There are some WBCCI Units that don't really travel anywhere; their Unit rallies are at the same place every time, so unless visitors arrive from another Unit, they only see the same people every time, not only in the rally, but in the community as well. Their members' travel is pretty much restricted to caravans, Region rallies, and International rallies— if they even attend any.

I don't think I could belong to a Unit like that. I would prefer to not return to the same campground twice, no matter how good it is, because there are so many places I haven't been. I do make exceptions if I went to a campground solo and later a rally is held there, and some campgrounds just have so much to do (either in the campground or the surrounding area) that one trip isn't enough.
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The Ontario unit added a prohibition to have firearms by amending their local code of ethics without a vote and head office approved the change saying that they would never allow this change to go before International. From what I see, there is no provision in the local bylaws to do this - it is done at the International level where a vote must be taken IF a letter is sent to the secretary demanding the vote. I had verbally asked for the vote, but head office approved the amendment to restrict firearms at the Ontario unit level nonetheless.
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Your vision of Airstream ownership is too... shallow

Not being able to attend personally at an organized 'show and tell' parade should not be your life's ambition of Airstream ownership.

I did not purchase our Airstream with the intent to pay to park in a field with other Airstream owners to socialize. If that was your 'purpose of owning an Airstream'... you are getting what you deserve. My intent was to remove myself as far as possible from those who find this as their life's ambition.

A land version of an Ocean Cruise Vacation one can get for comparison.

Although, I have discovered that the majority of Airstream owners prefer these kinds of rallies. I do not. It is by choice, not a requirement. Make your own vacation personal and private, if necessary. Finding a small Boondocking group is as refreshing as anyone could imagine... yet, outside the majority interest of Airstream ownership.

If you depend on WBCCI for finding uses for your Airstream... your vision is much too shallow for ownership of any brand of trailer.

After reading this Thread... I now understand why so few Airstreams make it off a paved road and a parking lot. It is not the trailer. It is the mentality of ownership of the majority. It is a sad day for the original purpose of an Airstream to explore the world with the modern conveniences that these trailers provide. Not to anguish over the lack of space in a parking lot full of similar shallow options for their trailer.

I, personally, would have been embarrassed to have even considered this as a reason to complain on this Forum.
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People who boondock far out in the wilds are so much the minority here yet we get to dream as they tell their stories. Enjoy the stories but please don't criticize those who use the AS as the vast majority go. Most modern AS are not intended to go off road, it's a misuse of the product.
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People who boondock far out in the wilds are so much the minority here yet we get to dream as they tell their stories. Enjoy the stories but please don't criticize those who use the AS as the vast majority go. Most modern AS are not intended to go off road, it's a misuse of the product.
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I have yet to complain or be criticized as being independent of the majority and a minority.

Most Airstreams... maybe consider it ALL Airstreams are not currently built to even hold together on paved roads. Airstream promotes the original purposes of Airstreams of the past, but builds them for parking lots and open fields for the 'social trailer owners'. It is the quality of Airstream that has been diminished, not their uses. So lets not go there. For the cost, the quality is lacking.

After a couple more years our 2014 will be up to the standards that we paid with my improvements. It is not the use, but the trailer that is a disappointment. The cost of better fitted screws and hinges is not a major engineering accomplishment. It is a lack of corporate vision for the future of Airstream.

Sawdust cabinets covered with colored formica and plywood fitted within a riveted aluminum skin is not the Airstream of over 75 years of 'improvements'. Maybe you are right. The majority is using their Airstream as it is designed. I have to admit... my argument sounds hollow in comparison to the majority. I am a sucker to have believed in Wally Byam's vision.

It is sad to find that an Airstream Owner finds their trailer of value only to camp in a field near town and consider this a 'wise use of their money'.
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Like I said, you are in the minority and welcome to your opinions. Keep the stories coming, it's like reading boys life magazine again.
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It is sad to find that an Airstream Owner finds their trailer of value only to camp in a field near town and consider this a 'wise use of their money'.
Who are you to criticize how others use their trailers? Be sure to post where you camp so I can avoid you - I don't need someone telling me I'm doing it wrong.
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