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Old 09-03-2010, 05:24 PM   #71
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It was reviewed at the time the appeal was heard in June.

That’s it, case closed as far as the club was concerned.

All appeals have been exhausted, therefore, his expulsion is Res judicata, meaning a case in which there has been a final judgment and is no longer subject to appeal.

The only relief someone could seek is outside the Club.
BINGO!!! Give that man a cigar! Now you just hit on what was the point of the lawsuit. A group of 50 or so supporters raising money to hire a lawyer to have the issue addressed outside of the club until you withdrew it on your own initiative in exchange for your seat on the committee. But the only thing in your case Bob is that you didn't join the effort to vindicate Leo or have the IBT's misdeeds addressed, you didn't have any silly romantic notions of idealism or justice, you just seized the effort as an opportunity and waved it with a war hoop using supporters' money and the threat of a lawsuit as ransom againse the IBT, negotiating until you won yourself a committee seat, at which time you systematically disposed of the team mates and that pesky Leo as a trouble maker and deserving of expulsion, but still holding onto the money collected for Leo's reinstatement in case you could use it again against the IBT if you think you could get even more leverage of the sacrifice of the heros stupid sock puppets. Already shining up to and sashaying around the IBT brass immediately and making an almost seamless transition onto the committee's committee. Are you comfy now that you are sitting pretty? What, your duty to supporters? What, your friendship? Oh they'll be fine that bunch of naysayers should quit their whining. Show some gall!
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Old 09-03-2010, 05:29 PM   #72
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someone serving at this CALIBER of committee should understand HOW the machinery works...

as i recall the HOME OFFICE only keeps ONE version of the member list.

so OPTING OUT of anything (printed directory as an eaxample)...

results in NOT being on ANY of the wb' mailing lists...

no bb, no renewal notice, nothing.

so ANY simpleminded suggestion about customizing the member list OR info...

requires BIGGER more BASIC tweaks first.

and it has also been demonstrated that the private club mailing or EMAIL addresses...

can be used for MASS spam mailings...



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Old 09-03-2010, 05:32 PM   #73
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Norm Beu told me that for a programming cost of about $800, the BB mailing list could be modified to eliminate those members who did not want a mailed copy. He also told me that there was not enough money in the budget for this one time cost.

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someone serving at this CALIBER of committee should understand HOW the machinery works...

as i recall the HOME OFFICE only keeps ONE version of the member list.

so OPTING OUT of anything (printed directory as an eaxample)...

results in NOT being on ANY of the wb' mailing lists...

no bb, no renewal notice, nothing.

so ANY simpleminded suggestion about customizing the member list OR info...

requires BIGGER more BASIC tweaks first.

and it has also been demonstrated that the private club mailing or EMAIL addresses...

can be used for MASS spam mailings...



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Old 09-03-2010, 05:37 PM   #74
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Norm Beu told me that for a programming cost of about $800, the BB mailing list could be modified to eliminate those members who did not want a mailed copy. He also told me that there was not enough money in the budget for this one time cost.

Bill

UNbelieve'n-able bill

ok not really, since they need a cash reserve in case someone ON a commitee goes rogue

perhaps the DWjustincasewewannasue fund...

could loan'em the money...



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Old 09-03-2010, 05:43 PM   #75
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Norm Beu told me that for a programming cost of about $800, the BB mailing list could be modified to eliminate those members who did not want a mailed copy. He also told me that there was not enough money in the budget for this one time cost.

Bill
Bill, I would be willing to have one of my employees do it for free, that way there's no stumbling blocks about budget. He manages 400,000 emails.

It should be a fairly straight forward fix.

I suggested the same thing for our clubs forum......but that's another story

When things need to get done in this club why can't a call go out for someone that may have the ability to do certain tasks?
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Old 09-03-2010, 06:02 PM   #76
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...when things need to get done in this club why can't a call go out for someone that may have the ability to do certain tasks...
because of the rulz book bob and PROPER approach 2running da'ship...

there is accountability and process, so that NO ONE simply takes over...

perhaps these r foreign concepts...

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Old 09-03-2010, 06:11 PM   #77
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While we're on the subject of work to be done that can't be done effectively by volunteers and must be contracted out?

In order to be cost effective rather than giving that contract without bid, we have a minimum of three competing bids sought and the lowest bid gets the work.

This should be done for basic office supplies in it's simplest case to an ad agency.


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Bob,

Why don't you let him know. Let us know if you can obtain access to the source code of another companies software to make changes.

By the way, has Norm managed to get your banishment from the WBCCI forums reversed?

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Bill, I would be willing to have one of my employees do it for free, that way there's no stumbling blocks about budget. He manages 400,000 emails.

It should be a fairly straight forward fix.

I suggested the same thing for our clubs forum......but that's another story

When things need to get done in this club why can't a call go out for someone that may have the ability to do certain tasks?
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Old 09-03-2010, 06:23 PM   #79
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Bob,

Why don't you let him know. Let us know if you can obtain access to the source code of another companies software to make changes.
Not what I mean at all, there are many ways to do this tiny email list, I don't know what they use, but if it is a type that requires the vendors staff to change, that's the type that shouldn't have been acquired in the first place.

But I don't know the specifics do you?

Maybe less expense to add a second software at a lower cost to have better results.......all just a guess



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By the way, has Norm managed to get your banishment from the WBCCI forums reversed?

Bill
No, it's not simple, plus availability of people perhaps holidays etc.

Should hear something next week?


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Bob,

I am not a computer guy and I am not privy to the interworkings of the WBCCI, all I know is what I am told and from that I make a decision as to whether or not it makes sense.

As I recall, Tom Collier told the membership at the Florida State Rally that members would have the opportunity to opt out of mail delivery of the BB in a couple of months through a blow in post card in one of the issues of the BB. A few months later I asked why I had not seen the post card and received the response from Norm Beu. Nothing new has happened to date that I know of.

This is indicative of how slow changes are made in this organization, and you think that your committee will make real changes by next June?

Bill

PS: the Labor Day holiday on Monday, September 6.

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Not what I mean at all, there are many ways to do this tiny email list, I don't know what they use, but if it is a type that requires the vendors staff to change, that's the type that shouldn't have been acquired in the first place.

But I don't know the specifics do you?

Maybe less expense to add a second software at a lower cost to have better results.......all just a guess



No, it's not simple, plus availability of people perhaps holidays etc.

Should hear something next week?


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lets avoid U getting a whippin' south of the tool shed...

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...I don't know what they use, but if it is a type that requires the vendors staff to change,

that's the type that shouldn't have been acquired in the first place...
well, again UNDERSTANDING how things might have happened

could dampen the need 2 take pot shots now.

2nd guessing a decade OLD decision string.
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imagine a sleepy ohio village

with perhaps ONE shop within 40 miles doing ANY puter bizness...

a shop that also does tv and small appliance repairs to fill the week.

now imagine a 100 million dollar company in that town

contracting for software support (like a website) rather than building one INhouse.

this is at a TIME (10 years ago) when proprietary business apps were still very common...

and hiring tech support to provide hardware/software was still the norm.

so the "hobbyist club" associated with the main company needs a LITTLE puter help...

like maybe a mailing list or other simple spread sheet functions.

so they buy some TIME from the local biz and perhaps a puter or 2,

or they tag ONTO the big companies tech support

that COMES IN occasionally (at cost) from a nearby big city...

meybe they get a little discount BECAUSE of connections to the bigger biz...

and THAT STUFF is still in duty, doing exactly what was originally set up...

the guys settin' it UP do come out occasionally for tweaks at the beginning,

but now...help cost money.
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besides ANYTHING thats only been in use 10 years

is still NEW when the frame of reference is 75 years...

who said "make no changes only improvements" ???

are u wear'n a beret bob?

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I haven't had a great (actually any) time to really peruse through this thread in it's entirety. Waaay too much superfluous information for me to digest in my father, worker, husband, business and camper roles. Having said that, I'd like to pose a question/recommendation. If this is redundant... I apologize.

I'd taken a look at our bylaws some time ago; This document is almost 100 pages. A lot of legal ease. Are there any plans to make it an easier read for a mere member such as myself, maybe just plain English? Additionally, Are there plans to consolidate some of this it appears to be very repetitive, irrelevant and unrecognizable to the average camping member.

Thanking you kindly in advance
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I'm not taking sides on issues here but one thing does puzzle me. I see several things that aren't going to happen and other things being argued. Of the five committee members only one seems to be responding here. It seems to me with no meeting taking place yet, we shouldn't be getting these kind of responses. I thought this thread was for suggestions and recommendations. Shouldn't these issues be taken to the committee, discussed and then a response be posted? Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong but I was hoping the committee and it members would approach all issues with an open mind.

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