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Old 01-27-2011, 08:04 PM   #267
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That's a lot of sass for a disinterested observer. Wow and out of the blue despite these things being a big turn off to you, there are definite opinions and presumed background knowlege. Fast work. As has been said before, most prefer you identify yourself so that we can better communicate our ideas to you and welcome to the forums. I have to say most hit the forums with an introduction or a crawl but you landed on your feet running. It will be very interesting following your posts and threads in the future. It is always a plus when people take a stand for what they believe and are not the least reluctant to express themselves.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:14 PM   #268
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Perhaps a troll in an aluminum hat (sheep's clothing)????????? NAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
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Old 01-27-2011, 09:29 PM   #269
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OK, can we all step back and take a deep breath here for a moment? You know what will happen to this thread if you don't stop the shenanigans. I know I'm just a new mod, but even I can tell when a thread is about to slide off into oblivion.

As my mother always used to say, "It's not this in the morning!" which always confused the heck out of us kids.

So remember the Main Rule: Be Nice. OK?

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Old 01-28-2011, 06:48 AM   #270
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Nail on the head

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Is there anywhere in this great game of "Scrabble" that will ensure the existance of an an Airstream Only Club? Provide for a reorganization based on cost effectiveness instead of tradition? And create a perception of Youthful Family Fun for the future growth and sustainment of the WBCCI. If not.....you failed!

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Wayne has hit the nail on the head. No matter how you rewrite these things, if the club does not have a major image change this whole exercise is useless. Bylaws and Constitution rewrites will not help unless this club goes back to providing what the members want and what is need to draw new owners of AIRSTREAM PRODUCTS to it.

Removing a "the" or "this" from these documents is wasted time meetings, focus is needed on redesigning the International and Region rallies is what is needed. Modernization of these events to make them cost effective or value for the dollar spent is where this time needs to go. All this "meeting time" with the leadership speaking just to hear themselves speak is such a waste and can't be ah............ fun.

Rewriting is not what outsiders see nor for that matter most of the members see, its the activities and the perceived value that will help this club.

Focus IBT, quit being bureaucrats.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:58 AM   #271
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I'll be interested to see what the re-writes contain.

The 2012 International is at a site with 3-point hookups, as I understand. This is an improvement, correct, something attendees have been clamoring for?


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Old 01-28-2011, 07:05 AM   #272
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Actually I always enjoyed the price advantage of 3 amp shared electric. The cost of hook-ups bumped the price of Internationals by 2 or 3 hundred dollars. It was nice to have the option. Even still for the length of the rally that is a high cost for actual usage.

Where you may have heard convenience, many may have heard as I did... still too expensive to attend. The daisy chaining was part of the charm and comradery in my opinion. You meet your neighbors right off and begin helping one another. But at the prices they are charging I am clamoring for a hot tub and swimming pool and spa.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:20 AM   #273
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I'll be interested to see what the re-writes contain.

The 2012 International is at a site with 3-point hookups, as I understand. This is an improvement, correct, something attendees have been clamoring for?


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There were 3 point hookups at Gillette. I think there are 3 point hookups at DuQouin. It appears that there are 3 point hookups at Sidalia.


This is only an "Improvement" if you want 3 point hook ups and are willing to pay around $200 more to have them.

No problem with that, but what about those of us who don't want them. There is no longer any 3amp or generator section, nor is a boondocking area offered.

I don't think they are worth the extra cost and about 270 other members at Madison didn't either. They all chose 3 amp. If half these members are not willing to pay an extras $200 for something they don't want, this is a significant loss of attendance.
I personally would be happy with NO hookups as long as there is a dump station and water faucet near by.

We attended 14 straight Internationals but we skipped Gillette and won't attend any others until there is a lower cost option (not over $300) available
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:09 AM   #274
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There were 3 point hookups at Gillette. I think there are 3 point hookups at DuQouin. It appears that there are 3 point hookups at Sidalia.


This is only an "Improvement" if you want 3 point hook ups and are willing to pay around $200 more to have them.

No problem with that, but what about those of us who don't want them. There is no longer any 3amp or generator section, nor is a boondocking area offered.

I don't think they are worth the extra cost and about 270 other members at Madison didn't either. They all chose 3 amp. If half these members are not willing to pay an extras $200 for something they don't want, this is a significant loss of attendance.
I personally would be happy with NO hookups as long as there is a dump station and water faucet near by.

We attended 14 straight Internationals but we skipped Gillette and won't attend any others until there is a lower cost option (not over $300) available
Aaaah, I see. I knew there was an issue about hook-ups, misremembered what it was. Y'all want less, rather than more. Makes sense to me.

We will not attend an International until fees are reduced and some other things change from within the WBCCI. I know that TinLoaf is sponsoring a rally at Whittington Woods during the International this year, to offer a rally setting with lower cost camping options for those who want to attend during the day.

Thanks for the clarification.


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Old 01-28-2011, 08:26 AM   #275
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DuQuoin is two point hook ups but the same rally fee as Gillette. We attended the Region 5 rally at DuQuoin in August and had to use the dump because they had not contracted for honey wagons. It is a nice location and the fairgrounds charge $15 a night for camping to travelers and clubs. They contract for many other club rallies. There was a 200 unit motorcycle rally and a 300 unit GMC Motorhome Rally when we were there. The WBCCI rally fee is set by the International president and his coordinators, based on best guess of total costs of putting on the rally, possible attendance, and what they think the market will bear.

I believe they were hoping for around 825 attendees.
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For those who may be looking for an alternative to the International, There is also the 2nd annual Birthday Bash in Western Pa being held on the same dates. There is a forum thread on the bash. We attended last year, and signed up again for this year.
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:39 PM   #277
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For those who may be looking for an alternative to the International, There is also the 2nd annual Birthday Bash in Western Pa being held on the same dates. There is a forum thread on the bash. We attended last year, and signed up again for this year.
That sounds like it would be fun. I might be old, but im not dead.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:16 PM   #278
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There is also THIS rally

This rally is within a short driving distance of the International if you don't want to / can't afford to spend the money.

Several of us plan to be here and then drive down for a day.
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And on the West Coast we are having the Wally Byam B-Day rally in Wally's hometown of Baker City, Oregon. The local Museum is opening a large exhibit on Wally Byam and his Caravanners. Check out the discussion thread on WBCCI Rallies.
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Old 02-05-2011, 03:25 AM   #280
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A WB rally the same weekend as International? I seriously think there is a rule against that. No, joke.
The idea of a B-day celebration for Wally is awesome. In Baker, even better.
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