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Old 01-06-2011, 06:07 PM   #197
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But don't forget, a special commitee is only good for the amount of time the current IP is in office. When he leaves office, so does his commitee "unless" the next IP wants to keep them in place.
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Old 01-06-2011, 07:57 PM   #198
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Unreviewable Power

The IBT = an unreviewable power.

An unreviewable power is one that is likely to self-indulge itself and unlikely to engage in any real analysis.

Eventually, an unreviewable power will arrogantly wield the rules as a weapon of intimidation rather than as an instrument of protection.

Eventually, an unreviewable power will lead to a club paralyzed by fear, unwilling to assume responsibility.

An unreviewable power has led to the WBCCI being both overly reliant on the IBT's authority and incredibly distrustful of it.

Right now, those at the top of the WBCCI food chain, the ones who have finally made it to the International level, can only be expected to represent the views of past generations better than the views of the current day.
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Power corrupts
Absolute power is pretty neat.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:12 PM   #200
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The current and up[coming leaders are a lot more open minded than the past, but even the PIP know it time for change.

Oh how you and the IBT try to BS a Bser. Change? not in my membership liftime, check out the biggest BSer Don S's comments on change. OMG now I'm out of order......................
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:32 AM   #201
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I admire Don S. He knows history and has used it to his benefit. "He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it"

Much like Honest Abe Lincoln, he made the very people, threatening to bring him down, a part of his Cabinet. Over time they began to feel comfortable and even believed they possessed some control and influence in his cabinet. Ironically they were just puppets, kept in a position that could do nothing.

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Old 01-07-2011, 03:31 PM   #202
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Maybe im just simple, but what am I getting for the 75$? Sal.
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Maybe im just simple, but what am I getting for the 75$? Sal.
The best IBT money can buy!!!
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:35 AM   #204
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About Two thirds of your $65 dues go to pay the three girls at Jackson Center to keep records and put together the publications you receive. About one third goes to the International and Region officers for their travel. The local units and officers receive no financial support from the club. $36,500 of the $330K budget goes to buy insurance to cover the liability for the club officers (National, Regional and Unit) and volunteers. Without that insurance, no one would volunteer to be leaders.
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(NOTE THIS POST HAS BEEN REVISE BASED ON DATA FROM THE POST JUST BELOW)

Of all of the dues budgeted ~ $390,000.00 = $65 x 6000 projected paying members.

About 9% or $36,500 is libility insurance I would assume that covers all events as well
About 30% or $117,000 is to officers for travel expenses.
About 60% or $234,000 is going to service the club and for the publication.

Local unit dues are in addition to the above.

Interesting. (Note - The numbers are not exact and are only for comparitive purposes)

If the above is accurate, there is a question there ...........

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International dues are $65. The local dues are determined by the Unit and vary between $1 and $20. There are projected to be between 6,000 and 6,200 members this year. If you are look at what is most important to the leaders, you need to look at where they find it appropriate to spend the money. The liability insurance also covers the club for damages to facilities caused by members at the rallies.
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... and if there are not 6000 members this year? Is there an expected membership increase this year? I personally know of more than two dozen members holding back their dues right now until they see what happens with the Mid Winter meetings. 6200 members this year? is this the same 400 people that were expected at Madison but failed to arrive or pay their fees? Now I realize optimism is an excellent trait to posses, but realism is a much better trait when it comes to budgeting money.
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Why does it take more experience......

To be on the IBT than to be a member of Congress? All it takes to be elected to congress is a minimum age and sufficient votes. Perhaps running the WBCCI is more complicated? I don't know. On the other hand, maybe it wouldn't be the end of the world if the constitution were changed to allow "mere members" were allowed to run.
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... and if there are not 6000 members this year? Is there an expected membership increase this year? I personally know of more than two dozen members holding back their dues right now until they see what happens with the Mid Winter meetings. 6200 members this year? is this the same 400 people that were expected at Madison but failed to arrive or pay their fees? Now I realize optimism is an excellent trait to posses, but realism is a much better trait when it comes to budgeting money.
You have a point there. In his report to the IBT the international membership chairman said there were 5,467 members as of the end of November. Extrapolation based on historical trends leads to a prediction of about 6,200 members by June, 2011, but that number is not cast in stone.

This has been a highly atypical year, what with Leo G's expulsion, the dues increase, closing down the WBCCI member forum, $29,000 spent for lawyer letters threatening to sue members and former members, and the Defend Wally/Constitution and Bylaws Revision Committee fiasco.

Now the Mid Winter IBT faces two new hot potato issues, the unconstitutional "pocket veto" of Region 11's constitutional amendment and the bylaws amendment to admit non-Airstream motor homes to WBCCI events suggested by the motor home special committee. Depending on the outcome of these two issues, the historical renewal (and international rally attendance) trends might very well not apply in the next 6 months.

We shall see.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM   #210
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I'm one who opted out. Voted with my pocketbook.

It's pretty passive - just DON'T send in a check. It's not like becoming a nun...

Should we have a bet on total membership? I'm guessing there will be 5500 or fewer members when the dust all settles.

anybody got this guy with tears running?

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