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Old 10-19-2010, 01:09 AM   #141
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I may not have stated this as fully as it needs to be. So, here are the facts as written in the VACs Constitution and bylaws.

Sec. 1 Regular Membership is open to all members of Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc. who own a vintage (one which is 25 or more years old) hard sided recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc. Regular members pay dues and have a vote. (1/19/07)

Sec. 2 Affiliate members Other members of WBCCI who do not qualify by owning a vintage Airstream recreational vehicle, but who for mutually beneficial reasons wish to belong, may become affiliate members. Affiliate members pay dues, but have no vote. (1/19/07)

Sec. 3 Honorary members Honorary membership can be bestowed upon VAC benefactors provided they are members of WBCCI. This is a non-dues-paying and non-voting membership.

What we have been calling an associate member is really an affiliated member and that member does not have a vote. And those Members (affiliated or regular) do actually get a little more than a non-WBCCI subscriber in that they have access to things on the web site that the subscriber, non-WBCCI individual does not. That is by practice, not by decree.

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All correct except;

Associate members are still members because they are in WBCCI. So it is more than just a subscriber.

A subscriber is only that, they are not WBCCI members so they only get a newsletter.

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Old 10-19-2010, 06:32 AM   #142
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A few more suggestions submitted

-get rid of as many "distinctions" among members as possible e.g flags, name tags, parking, etc.
-pay extra and give spouse, partner, etc. a separate vote
-cut down on # of committees
-pay for hard copy of Blue Beret
-make the life membership option less complicated
-streamline pre rally stuff
- cut length of caravan and kitty requirements
-synchronize officer terms at all levels of the organization


Any opinions on these?
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:55 AM   #143
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-cut down on # of committees
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-make the life membership option less complicated
-streamline pre rally stuff
Any opinions on these?
I recall counting over 130 committees in the Madison book. Surely all are not needed. Seem to recall one of the candidates for office listed a "canine waiver" committee, whatever that is.


Lets get rid of the life membership entirely.
Replace with a discounted 3 year or 5 year membership at set prices
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:38 AM   #144
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"canine waiver" committee, whatever that is.
Rick, if you or I had a dog smart enough to wave we would want them to have their own committee too.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:30 AM   #145
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I recall counting over 130 committees in the Madison book. Surely all are not needed. Seem to recall one of the candidates for office listed a "canine waiver" committee, whatever that is.

Lets get rid of the life membership entirely.
Replace with a discounted 3 year or 5 year membership at set prices
Life membership is an area in need of attention, yes.

There are about 12 standing committees not 130????
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:44 AM   #146
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Life membership is an area in need of attention, yes.

There are about 12 standing committees not 130????
I was referring to the committees that handle various things at the International.
I counted over 130 although perhaps they were not called committees. I no longer have a copy of the Madison program to confirm what they were called, but suspect it is way to many people getting early parking on our international dime.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:57 AM   #147
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standing committees

I count 22 standing committees listed in the bylaws

Article 3 section 1 page 1 issued 7/5/10

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There seems to be support for a professional event planner to be involved with this Rally, rather than the IP.
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event planner

Maybe an event planner could arrange for entertainment that some younger members would like to see!!! I suggested hiring Antsey McClain and the Trailer Park Troubadours in the now defunct member section of the WBCCI forums on a thread started by 2nd International Vice President Don Clark. I met with Don on July 5th and asked about the Troobs performing at a future international rally. Don's wife said the band was too expensive.

And then I heard that the band performed at the Birthday Bash last summer and will be performing at Alumapalooza next June. How can they afford the Troubadors and an international rally cannot????

Taking the rally planning away from the president might perk things up!
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Taking the rally planning away from the president might perk things up!
And it might allow the IP and IVPs to spend more time addressing other matters of more importance to the club than a single event that most members do not attend.

While I'm typing, the cost of the International Rally must be reduced. We've been to two Internationals. Quite possibly we will never attend one again unless the price is brought down significantly (<<$300). There is just very little value for the cost currently. I don't need to spend $500+ for a weeks camping (plus $100's in gas and other travel expenses, etc.) to visit friends and do very little else at International.
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:02 AM   #151
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While I'm typing, the cost of the International Rally must be reduced. I don't need to spend $500+ for a weeks camping (plus $100's in gas and other travel expenses, etc.) to visit friends and do very little else at International.
I agree, this cost is out of line and then we are told at the current cost they can't afford good entertainment. You have to wonder what the early workers are costing those of us that can only attend the rally. Ways to lower the cost; reduce the need for so many early workers, charge those workers a camping fee for the days they are there early and work faster in setting the place up to reduce facility costs by reducing the number of days we need it. There is no reason to be at the rally site a month before the rally, seems to me Im paying for an early worker private pre-rally party.
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:25 AM   #152
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Agree, how does Good Sams do a super rally for a total fee of $325?
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Rally costs

This years rally in Gillette made a profit of $85000. This works out to about $120. per attendee. This did much to make up for the $103,000 loss at Madison
which was a result of unrealistic planning. Unfortunately this profit was made on the backs of those attending the 2010 rally.

starting in 2004 the WBCCI found they could get huge amounts of money for providing 30 amp electric. The first few years $135, later over $200.

It is my understanding that the hook up sites in Illinois are costing $15.00 a day.
That means that for a 7 day rally the camping cost is $105. Not unreasonable, and obviously a boondocking option would not save a lot of money

So, the question is, what am I getting as a benefit for the other $380 plus in the rally fee??. How much would I be paying for camping and pancakes,dinners, and maybe tours for the early workers??

Is the 2011 rally going to be another $ 100 plus per trailer profit for the club?

This year we did not attend the International for the first time in about 15 years. Instead we attended 2 events that started out as WBCCI events,but were lost due to club politics. The Birthday Bash and The Pocono raceway rally. We saw many of the same friends, added some new experiences and just in general had a good time.(with out hook ups)

We will follow pretty much the same pattern in 2011, and are waiting to see what the cost situation will be in 2012.

I agree with Joe that there needs to be a lower cost International option, and it needs to be priced below $300.
It is not always a question of whether we can afford the cost. The question is, is it a value for the money.
The current International pricing does not meet my personal cost/benefit criteria
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If one reviews the detail budget for the International, it is revealed that the budget for the camping sites is for 13 days per attendee. In other words, everyone pays for 13 days camping regardless of the time you are there.

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I agree, this cost is out of line and then we are told at the current cost they can't afford good entertainment. You have to wonder what the early workers are costing those of us that can only attend the rally. Ways to lower the cost; reduce the need for so many early workers, charge those workers a camping fee for the days they are there early and work faster in setting the place up to reduce facility costs by reducing the number of days we need it. There is no reason to be at the rally site a month before the rally, seems to me Im paying for an early worker private pre-rally party.
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