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03-14-2010, 07:32 AM
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Restorations done right
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I was born in New York too so calm down. There is a different approach that is all. You know about it and are very aware of it. Not everyone reacts well to it.
I would be glad to offer both cheeks here. I am just pointing out that the story, as told here, only has one version. That is a huge issue right there. Unfortunately the leadership of the club with Mr. Byam's name in it does not have open discussion.
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03-14-2010, 10:54 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1992 34' Excella
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One Story Fits All Unless the Otherside Shares
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Originally Posted by 62overlander
No what I am saying is there is always more than one version of the story and that the same version is the only one told here.
To pour a glass of ice tea over someones head is far from an everyday action. Something must have pushed that lady very hard to allow her to go to such a dramatic act. That part of the story is missing.
Say all you want about Mr. Garvey, tell me all about his integrity and how he is fighting a good fight. I am making the statement that there is more to this action than meets the eye. Not everyone cares for the New York style of in your face confrontation.
Have at me, I have been a blue collar guy my whole life and my skin is very thick.
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The only reason that there is one "version" of this story being told here, is because both Region 9 President Doug Wylie and his First Lady have refused to provide any information to differ from what we know. They have chosen to remain silent as far as I know, with the of exception of being "non-apologetic".
What I know is that First Lady Wylie Poured a Large Container of Iced Tea onto my friend and Past President Leo G.
You seem to be so focused on your "speculation" that there is something Leo could have said or done to make the "lady act out" in that manner.
So, it seems to me that you accept that the event occurred yet, on the other hand, you are comfortable to accept that Leo must have provoked it. This is where we differ. I believe you are wrong about this. I ask that you try to better understand my perspective.
I know Leo G. He is my friend. He is the past President of Metro NY Unit. He was a great president. He has much integrity and perhaps to much restraint and self control.
Born and raised in the Bronx makes me uniquely qualified to understand that the Wyles have accepted Leo's non-action as his weakness in lieu of an apology.
It is a disgrace.
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03-14-2010, 06:54 PM
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#143
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Restorations done right
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I wish I had never said anything. You are so right, it was all her and Leo had nothing to do with it except being the innocent victim in all of it. Glad you are his friend and glad he has your support.
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03-15-2010, 05:32 AM
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#144
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1968 17' Caravel
Marblehead
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joecolao
It was the First Lady of Region 9 that poured a container of "iced tea" onto Leo G's head. He stood by and watched his wife get away with this.
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I have read snippets about this incident before and I always shake my head in disbelief. Can anyone enlighten me (and others who didn't witness this event) as to what happened? In what state did this take place?
Are we talking about the Three Stooges here or what? Isn't this is supposed to be an organization for having fun camping and travelling with like-minded individuals. Deliberately pouring iced tea on someone is assault (and probably battery as well in most states). That woman could have been arrested on the spot and charged with an criminal offense. She's damned lucky she wasn't.
Then they go and kick the aggrieved party out of the Club? And I always thought the Collins (Radio) Collectors Ass'n club politics were zany. For those not familiar, a pre-1980 Collins Radio is akin to a vintage Airstream trailer.
I fully understand Frank's (62overlander) comment that "not everyone cares for the New York style of in your face confrontation" (and took no offence from it). The "New York attitude" of getting right to the point, sometimes in a most direct way, is borne from the high-density population of the region and not having much time to waste or patience to deal with others. Many people from the rest of the world take instant offence to this style of inter-personal communication. Having dealt with it for years I find it somewhat amusing and entertaining especially if I am not in the direct line of fire.
This is even more bizarre than getting a Cease & Desist letter from some high-priced lawyers because you want to honour the Airstream inventor by celebrating his birthday.
I find it unbelievable that grown people of means, both men and women, can behave in such a manner especially when it comes to a leisure-time pursuit which is supposed to be fun and reduce stress and blood pressure, not escalate it.
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03-15-2010, 08:02 AM
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Leo G assaulted by Region 9 first Lady Wylie
At last years International Region 9 President Doug Wylie and Leo G were having a conversation when the First Lady Sheryl Wylie out of nowhere poured a Large
Container of Iced Tea on Leo's head.
They have chosen to remain "non-apologetic".
What do you think of this behavior?
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03-15-2010, 08:05 AM
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Ok guys you are hi jacking this thread enough.
I opened a new thread here to chat about this.
This is a law suit thread I trust we can stay on topic!
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03-15-2010, 08:17 AM
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#147
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I commend Leo for handling the situation the way he did. Not sure I would have done as well.
This one would have been grievance material (or more) had he chosen that response.
Such behavior by any adult is inexcusable
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03-15-2010, 08:19 AM
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I thought this was already being discussed in another thread....?
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03-15-2010, 08:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganglin
I thought this was already being discussed in another thread....?
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Several attempts have been made to hi jack the thread you mention so this thread was started to allow this issue the full light of day by itself.
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03-15-2010, 10:36 AM
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I personally dont care. ITS over and done with. According to reports Leo G handled the cold tea with the patience and restraint I know I wouldn't have, cause my reaction would have landed me in jail for assault cause I would have knocked her on her a--.
Ok So Leo is Out of the "Club"
WHY KEEP BRINGING THIS UP??????????
MOVE ON !
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03-15-2010, 10:46 AM
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He shoulda done exactly what those football coaches do when they get that big bucket of Gatorade dumped on their head at the end of the game...go over to the loosing team's coach and shake hands.
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03-15-2010, 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikethefixit
I personally dont care. ITS over and done with. According to reports Leo G handled the cold tea with the patience and restraint I know I wouldn't have, cause my reaction would have landed me in jail for assault cause I would have knocked her on her a--.
Ok So Leo is Out of the "Club"
WHY KEEP BRINGING THIS UP??????????
MOVE ON !
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Mike if you don't care why did you post in this thread and the lawsuit thread about it?
If you don't care about what happened to Leo how about you move on?
Are you even a WBCCI member?
The point of this thread is show how the IBT and others have turned on one out spoken member by harassing, disparaging and defaming him.
Moreover, why did the IBT's henchmen that conspired & coaxed Franklin, Gibson and Stumpe to file frivolous grievances against Leo sit on their hands and let this go by.
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03-15-2010, 10:59 AM
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Roger and mary Lou,
It appears that you two condone poor citizenship on the part of a Region President and his spouse. Ladies do not attack others with containers of tea. Such poor conduct is uncalled for and Leo is to be commended for keeping his cool.
People do NOT move on because this demonstrates the flaw in PP J. Franklin's "quality vs quantity" statement with leadership that conducts themselves that way.
This incident coming to light is the reason that I have decided to make a contribution to "Defendwally.org"
Bob T
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03-15-2010, 12:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bob280
...This incident coming to light is the reason that I have decided to make a contribution to "Defendwally.org"...
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and THAT is the reason for yet another thread on this topic.
someone (or 2 or 3...) is just trying to raise more money/solicit funds from THIS COMMUNITY.
it's in poor taste doing that HERE and against the terms of use.
some of the "SEND MONEY" posts have been deleted.
which is appropriate for handling SEND MONEY threads and posts.
and this ENTIRE THREAD should be deleted as well.
'pets u and howieE are embarrassing yourselves with these lame attempts to GET MONEY.
in person u r both sensible fellas so seeing this stuff is MOST troubling.
the nestea plunge is OLD stuff and way past tense.
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while the ibt bobble heads have clearly painted a picture of WHO they are and the club they wanna run...
you guys may actually FIT PERFECTLY in their club, based on these threads alone.
cheers
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03-15-2010, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2airishuman
and THAT is the reason for yet another thread on this topic.
someone (or 2 or 3...) is just trying to raise more money/solicit funds from THIS COMMUNITY.
it's in poor taste doing that HERE and against the terms of use.
some of the "SEND MONEY" posts have been deleted.
which is appropriate for handling SEND MONEY threads and posts.
and this ENTIRE THREAD should be deleted as well.
'pets u and howieE are embarrassing yourselves with these lame attempts to GET MONEY.
in person u r both sensible fellas so seeing this stuff is MOST troubling.
the nestea plunge is OLD stuff and way past tense.
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while the ibt bobble heads have clearly painted a picture of WHO they are and the club they wanna run...
you guys may actually FIT PERFECTLY in their club, based on these threads alone.
cheers
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Here, here! Very well-said, 2air"!
Let me first say that I am NOT a WBCCI member, nor will I ever be, based on the attitudes and childish bickering shown here by both sides of the current question.
This thread demonstrates the methods, both silly and mean, used to drum up money and support to fight the current management of a club that SHOULD be a shining example of friendships and brotherly love.
Sadly, that club is being destroyed by the egos both of the people that presently run it, and of those who evidently want to run it.
I appeal to the management of airforums.com to invite those whose only interest in posting here is to continually harangue us to either give money or quit the WBCCI to do this work elsewhere, and not here.
Contrary to what those same people might think, I can't imagine that people join airforums.com to read about your pitiful vendettas against one another.
ps: I think a cream pie in the face would have been more apropos than a jug of iced tea.
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03-15-2010, 12:47 PM
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After some consideration, the lawsuit thread and the thread about the water pitcher incident have been combined since there was considerable discussion about this later topic on the earlier thread. As a caution to participants in these discussions, please do not start multiple threads about the same general topic. More threads is not necessarily a good thing. While we work to keep AIR open for all to post, we have some growing concerns about the general negative tone and growing number of these various (and recent) threads. Please help keep AIR a fun and positive place for all members regardless of club affiliation.
Thanks for understanding.
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03-15-2010, 07:43 PM
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#157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bob280
Ladies do not attack others with containers of tea
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Is that on YouTube?
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03-15-2010, 07:54 PM
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2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
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wetted Tea shirts?
Join now and we will send you the free bonus video, Girls Gone Wilder. But wait there's more...get the limited edition of Stupid People Tricks absolutely free for joining within the next 30 minutes! We are standing by.
I don't suppose we can get this thread back on track and even if we do other threads may become attached. We are such a magnet.
We really could use some moral support. I know I am joking right back at you but there are some serious issues that have been swept under the carpet and individuals have been targeted. I would say an effort should be made to try to redress the most blantant abuses.
Those that have been driven mad from these threads on the club forum, save yourselves and avert your eyes. There is tastier fish for you to fry elsewhere. Don't torture yourselves with heroic efforts to subvert. We have been shouted down many times over and we still have a place to post. Deal with it. Don't scroll down to the bottom of the bus.
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03-16-2010, 12:09 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
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The threat of litigation can resolve issues. Litigation rarely does. I much prefer settling a matter out of court. An agreed upon settlement is certain; the judgment of a judge or jury is not. Going to court is expensive. Even if you prevail, the cost of litigation often outweighs the benefits (except for the attorneys). Furthermore, litigation rarely gives people what they really want. Finally, litigation generally means burning bridges. This may not matter if you don't plan to see the other party every again, but it isn't ideal if you are, e.g., a custody battle. Many people go to court thinking they'll find some kind of justice, some balancing of the scales. Most are disappointed.
As for pouring tea on someone's head... I guess my perspective is different than many here. I don't know the specific circumstances of the alleged event so I really can't comment. In general, I don't recommend pouring a drink on a person's head unless you want to get smacked... age, gender and/or level of sobriety notwithstanding.
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03-16-2010, 12:32 PM
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I'm with 2air and others on the subject. If there is a cause worthy of action, the discussion should not include expressions of resentment over petty acts or other kinds of insults. Your actions and discussions should rise above such matters.
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