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Old 08-28-2010, 06:20 PM   #869
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Grand Master are the dates included? Are those legal expenses because of the member driven lawsuit or is it for cease and desist letters and legal fees paid to uphold Leo's expulsion as he tried to present his disallowed defense? I just wanted to be certain we were comparing the same dates and expenses. I know last year the report stated a very large amount for legal expenses but that predated the lawsuit. In this volunteer action each paid considerably more than that individually to help Leo fight the IBT's well funded legal team against him, which perhaps cost $6.00 each member to toss Leo, to write letters to Rob Baker to take Wally Byam's name from the Birthday Bash Celebration Rally, and to send Save Wally a letter to remove their logo and various other expenses such as that.

There shouldn't be any expense to the members of the WBCCI because of the lawsuit because it was witdrawn before it was served possibly before it was drawn.

Bob we need some concrete numbers and reports and contact numbers here to show and verify our work with the lawsuit. Without facts the situation is becoming confused as 2Air has pointed out.
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Fact the committee was not forced upon the IBT it was created by them to incorporate change and streamline the governing documents among other things.

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"This will be a committee of the Executive Committee. It is being created to recommend to the Executive Committee a revision of the constitution and bylaws and policy. It will incorporate the information collected over the past several years and strive to detect and eliminate any inconsistency or any ambiguities and provide its recommendations to the executive committee for its action."

ANYONE know the real scope of this new committee????

One persons idea of the committee describes it with a lot of responsibility another response suggest the committee has been charted with making recommendations with no authority.

Is there any publication on the committee or is this all he said he said?
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yes there's more not sure I can disclose it.

I think I can, just want to check before hand.

Also the interpretation of that clause is not apparent as to what it means

more on that....
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Bob we need some concrete numbers and reports and contact numbers here to show and verify our work with the lawsuit.
Carol, not concrete, but about 2/3 of each contribution would be be returned.

As far as contact use PM or email
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:13 PM   #873
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Carol,

There may be legal expenses pertaining to a potential lawsuit—since some of the possible claims were telegraphed here, lawyers would be advising their client (WBCCI) as to possible exposure to losses and how to meet the challenge to avoid litigation. Individual members of the board and officers may have sought counsel to see if they were exposed to claims. The bylaws or other documents of the WBCCI may provide legal coverage for many claims for directors; most corporations do. Liability and Directors and Officers insurance may cover all or most of these legal expenses for the corporation and directors and officers.

It's possible insurance paid for it all. An examination of corporate documents would reveal information about insurance coverage and any itemized bills from lawyers for all the things that have happened this year. A member of the organization is permitted by most, if not all, state laws, to reasonable access to corporate records. Much useful information for reform could be discovered this way. One does not just walk into the office to do so—prior arrangements should be made, probably through lawyers. Expect opposition. Bring a portable copier.

There certainly are a lot of unknowns and even educated guesses may be very wrong about the events of the litigation (non)event. Since lack of transparency is part of the problem, this committee should do it's utmost and more to insure transparency. It should seek through many means (including this forum) member suggestions and comments.

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Let's clear it up then. Yes or No questions. (Please, no spin.)

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During the course of preparing the law suit, Defend Wally/Metro NY was contacted by WBCCI. Discussions began, and eventually centered on withholding the lawsuit in exchange for appointing a representative from Defend Wally/Metro NY to sit on a newly created “By-Laws Revision Committee.” This five member Committee would be tasked with consolidating and incorporating changes to the club’s Bylaws and Constitution. Encouraged by this turn of events and intent upon having a seat at the table to institute positive change within WBCCI, Defend Wally/Metro NY has decided to withhold filing suit in the hope that changes in the club can be achieved amicably through this new Committee....


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Obviously, this lawsuit has not been settled.

I don't believe there were even any negotiations.
Was there a negotiation?

Was there a settlement or a deal made?
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The language is pretty clear garry

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"This will be a committee of the Executive Committee. It is being created to recommend to the Executive Committee a revision of the constitution and bylaws and policy. It will incorporate the information collected over the past several years and strive to detect and eliminate any inconsistency or any ambiguities and provide its recommendations to the executive committee for its action."

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yes there's more not sure I can disclose it.

I think I can, just want to check before hand.

Also the interpretation of that clause is not apparent as to what it means

more on that....
Everyone with a pulse knows that these folks have procedural meetings to change adjectives and punctuation marks in the Bylaws.
It is written plainly there exactly as it is supposed to be and nothing more.

LI Pets implies there is more to it... but you cannot just add whatever you want to the charter... it is stated in black & white in full.

Leo got it right, "strive" to detect and eliminate and then provide "recommendations"... which can then be summarily tossed aside and dismissed.

There is nothing there that mandates anything has to be acted upon and it's worded in that manner on purpose.

A go-nowhere, do-nothing committee that will be deep 6'd and left to wither away ignored. That's what has been purchased.
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But who has the power to change this? No one here, that's for sure. They chose Bob for a reason, not necessarily for one we would consider positive. He's onboard there, that may be just exactly what they wanted.

It seems to me, again, that MetroNY folks need some direct communication with the contributors, to give them the information and specifics they need. They don't need to post it here, but those that gave $ deserve some answers, period.

It occurred to me that dissemination of the information being demanded may be an attorney-client privilege problem. What MetroNY et al were advised to do and why would no longer be privileged if it were made public, correct Gene and you other lawyers out there? Not to minimize contributors needs for answers, but........


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eye dunt think sew...

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But who has the power to change this? No one here, that's for sure. They chose Bob for a reason, not necessarily for one we would consider positive. He's onboard there, that may be just exactly what they wanted.

It seems to me, again, that MetroNY folks need some direct communication with the contributors, to give them the information and specifics they need. They don't need to post it here, but those that gave $ deserve some answers, period.

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It seems to me, again, that MetroNY folks need some direct communication with the contributors, to give them the information and specifics they need.
What makes you think that didn't occur by Defend Wally, the rants you read here are silent about that, why?

Every contributor and those on DW mail list were emailed about 200 went out by Howie, last week.

He had one reply.
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it's a simple concept that continues to elude your grasp...

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...They chose Bob for a reason, not necessarily for one we would consider positive...
it's really not about positive or negative reasons,

it's ALL about how/when and IF this happened as reported SO FAR.

once again THIS notion (that THEY did anything as reported here)...

assumes the story/events as posted here are an accurate reporting...

unless you personally have confirmed HOW this current position was reached ((with the ibt leaders))...

the POINT is still...

first hand knowledge/confirmation of what happened, how, by who and so on is lacking IN THIS THREAD.

VERIFY what did/not happen in the genesis of this committee and its members...

and YES folks who donated should do this,

rather than trusting to or ACCEPTING the events as reported here.

REread these questions...

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Was there a negotiation?

Was there a settlement or a deal made?
then find ANY sources in this thread (or anywhere else) that...

1. directly answer the questions
2. come from ANYone other that the poster in post #791 or ONE DW member.

independent confirmation of the story/events/process/proceedings is NEEDED.

don't rationalize based on a story version that MAY not be complete or accurate.

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But who has the power to change this?...
you do, as does ANY dues pay'n wb' member...

have you contacted ANY ibt leader by mail/phone/online or by way of your unit officers?

the top brass does reply to the underlings, occasionally...

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yes there's more not sure I can disclose it.

I think I can, just want to check before hand.

Also the interpretation of that clause is not apparent as to what it means

more on that....
But wait there's more!!

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What makes you think that didn't occur by Defend Wally, the rants you read here are silent about that, why?

Every contributor and those on DW mail list were emailed about 200 went out by Howie, last week.

He had one reply.
But wait there's more!! Any way you slice dice or chop it...well you get the point...
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Sounds like the Metro NY Unit sold Leo in exchance for a seat at the table with the good old boys. No sweat by me as I'll not be renewing my membership...doesn't look good guys. Hopefully this is going in the right direction and not being driven by egos with the same BS as before.
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Who the heck is the president of NY unit and what does that have to do with Defend Wally? Where has she been prior to her letter?
I think it is scandelous that you let a unit take over the individuals lawsuit and handled it yourselves after the money was raised for a lawyer to do it.
Again it isn't winning or losing but how you play the game and the premise was to reinstate Leo and have the lawyer do the talking that was what the MONEY was contributed for even before you were asking for funds... You two, Bob and Howie should be ashamed. Except for a refund remove me from this e-mail list. Shame on you.
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I have today put a stop payment on my check for $200.
I no longer trust you, Mr Novak or any of the other supporters of DW.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Thanks for the info, but let me get right to the point. While this new tack might provide some benefits towards reforming the club as it now operates,
my primary impetus for donating $100 to the law suit effort was to re-instate Leo G. This part of the effort has mysteriously disappeared from
the action.
I would like to officially request the return of my $100 donation, as I am much less than satisfied with this resolution and Leo and his wife is still' out'
and the powers that perpetrated his 'dismissal' are still 'in'.
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But wait there's more!!

Better have Howie check his inbox I have a feeling more are piling up there...

And now you ask us to wait for more, more, more. Well I think I have had enough. It's pretty clear that there have been more than enough liberties taken with the truth around here.
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What makes you think that didn't occur by Defend Wally, the rants you read here are silent about that, why?

Every contributor and those on DW mail list were emailed about 200 went out by Howie, last week.

He had one reply.
The following is what Howie sent Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:22 p.m., EST. It was sent after Michele Curley posted her announcement here and includes Michele's announcement that, "[d]uring the course of preparing the law suit, Defend Wally/Metro NY was contacted by WBCCI. Discussions began, and eventually centered on withholding the lawsuit in exchange for appointing a representative from Defend Wally/Metro NY to sit on a newly created “By-Laws Revision Committee.”

Essentially Howie sent out Michele's announcement!

Hello to all Defendwally Donators

We have all been waiting a prolonged time for any official announcement relating to the Defendwally Lawsuit. That delay was necessary as we evaluated an option other than a lawsuit. After reviewing all options and with advice of our lawyer we have decided to place the suit on hold and to allow a less confrontational approach is considered.

I apologize for the delay in advising you but I am on the road and only have limited access to the net

While I do not expect any significant announcements for the duration of my vacation there is an on going discussion on Airfourms

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...tml#post886698

Again I am going to ask all to give us a bit more time to determine how this will unfold. I am quite sure it will not parallel the 2020 committee as a dog and pony show with no intent of action if for no other reason because of who initiated it


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Defend Wally/Metro NY withholds lawsuit against WBCCI, seeks amicable resolution

Numerous Defend Wally and Metro NY members are dissatisfied with the WBCCI status quo, and feel that positive change in the club is both urgent and necessary if it is to survive. These same members believe that their voices are not being heard, and that positive change is being blocked by antiquated, cumbersome club procedures and disinterested past officers. To address this situation, Defend Wally created a legal fund and Metro NY later came on board as an additional plaintiff. Legal counsel was retained to file suit against WBCCI and institute change.

During the course of preparing the law suit, Defend Wally/Metro NY was contacted by WBCCI. Discussions began, and eventually centered on withholding the lawsuit in exchange for appointing a representative from Defend Wally/Metro NY to sit on a newly created “By-Laws Revision Committee.” This five member Committee would be tasked with consolidating and incorporating changes to the club’s Bylaws and Constitution. Encouraged by this turn of events and intent upon having a seat at the table to institute positive change within WBCCI, Defend Wally/Metro NY has decided to withhold filing suit in the hope that changes in the club can be achieved amicably through this new Committee.

Unfortunately, Mr. Leo G has declined such compromise. He has moved on in another direction and is in no way involved with Defend Wally/Metro NY’s desire to achieve change through dialogue, negotiation, and compromise.

Defend Wally/Metro NY has chosen a representative to the Committee, and he has been duly appointed by WBCCI. It is the desire of this individual to represent any members who are dissatisfied with the club, and to bridge the disharmony between our groups. This representative will be a conduit for these dissatisfied members, and seek to institute constructive change and cooperation from within the club. We believe it is critical to the club’s creditability that the concerns of these members be properly addressed, and that the parties continue to operate in good faith, toward the resolution of any outstanding issues.

To this end we have directed counsel to suspend legal action while the By-Laws Revision Committee meets to generate its recommendations, and the WBCCI act upon same.

Sincerely,
Michele M. Curley
President Metro NY Unit
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