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Old 07-01-2010, 04:35 PM   #617
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I think that generation prefers to hire out and not dirty their hands with personal dealings with mere people. So be it, that doesn't preclude a success on behalf of members however...
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Old 07-01-2010, 06:05 PM   #618
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One of the first sentences in Carol's report of the proceedings in Gillette said, in effect, that because the loss in membership was less than last year's - then the club is responding positively to management's policies which have generated (at least this much) movement in a positive direction.

It is clear that everyone who renews his or her membership is counted as a vote for the IBT. There is no other way for the membership to express their opinions. Pay or not pay. There is no other vote or venue to effect change.

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Old 07-01-2010, 09:35 PM   #619
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The now PIP said he would spend it again!

He saved the club in so doing...his words.

Does that mean kicking Leo out saved the club? If so from what?

I guess he will feel even better when the club spends 5-10 times that $29,000 as defendants.
And that doesn't count the loss of members next year. I hate to say it, but between between Leo's expulsion and the dues increase I would not be at all surprised to see a thousand or more members not renew.

This is based on the number in my own unit (including unit officers) who have told me they aren't renewing. These aren't newbies who never participated in unit activities; these are people that make the unit work. WBCCI cannot afford to lose them.
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I forget how large the club is at the moment. And I believe member ship is staggered as in not every one renews at the same time. So if 200 didn't renew in next 12 months I bet there would be some grumbling. If 400 didn't renew in the next 12 months it would be a statement. If 800 didn't renew I bet it might bring down the club.

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I forget how large the club is at the moment. And I believe member ship is staggered as in not every one renews at the same time. So if 200 didn't renew in next 12 months I bet there would be some grumbling. If 400 didn't renew in the next 12 months it would be a statement. If 800 didn't renew I bet it might bring down the club.

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The current membership is less than 6000. All memberships expire on January 1. Dues are due by November 1 in order to be included in the directory. A membership count at the next mid winter meeting in January, 2011 will be telling.

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A 10% drop (600) would be a big hit that would leave a mark.

A 1000 membership drop would be fatal.

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The now PIP said he would spend it again!

He saved the club in so doing...his words.

Does that mean kicking Leo out saved the club? If so from what?

I guess he will feel even better when the club spends 5-10 times that $29,000 as defendants.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:21 AM   #624
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Strictly a hypothetical question.
If Leo had chosen to travel to Ohio for his hearing, i believe he would have been entitled to face his accuser. That means the region 6 president, John Stumpf, would also have had to travel to Ohio.. If he had not already used up his travel budget (he has) would the members have been paying for him to testify at this hearing.?? Or would he have had to reach into his own pocket to back up his complaint?
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Rick the point is the club can not force anyone to Ohio.

They lack any jurisdictional power unlike a lawsuit (depending on contacts)

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The now PIP said he would spend it again!

He saved the club in so doing...his words.

Does that mean kicking Leo out saved the club? If so from what?

I guess he will feel even better when the club spends 5-10 times that $29,000 as defendants.
Bob,

While we're on that subject. . . let's see. . . taking the conservative figure of five times $29,000, that would be $145,000. How is it going to cost $145,000 to defend against a lawsuit that only costs the plaintiffs $7,500? Is your lawyer doing it pro bono?
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Bob,

While we're on that subject. . . let's see. . . taking the conservative figure of five times $29,000, that would be $145,000. How is it going to cost $145,000 to defend against a lawsuit that only costs the plaintiffs $7,500? Is your lawyer doing it pro bono?
Maybe he is basing the total on the IBT X-Treme spending multiplier! Much like hospital and government overcharges... Who'd have guessed they had already spent $29,000 on a few letters and a few hours stalking members across the internet??
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Of the club with Mr. Byam's name in it. You are a member in good standing. If a non member asks, Bob says none of your bees wax, or something to that affect.
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