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Old 05-12-2010, 02:17 PM   #435
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Since I have not logged on since February, I cannot.

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From your post count here and statement you have not been there since Feb you have told us where you stand.
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:26 PM   #436
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From your post count here and statement you have not been there since Feb you have told us where you stand.
No, I have not. Do not read anything into that statement, I was answering a question about participation. I left the WBCCI forum because of the lack of participation by the leadership and for no other reason. I do, however, agree that the WBCCI forum is overmoderated, but then, it is a private forum and as a private forum it can make any rules which it wishes. If one does not agree with the rules then the alternative it to leave.

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Old 05-12-2010, 03:15 PM   #437
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Bill someone was kind enough to check.

Without the admin activity there was an average of 3 posts a day.

Not what I would classify as a successful forum comprising 6,000+ members.

If they cool it on moderating and registering;
take down all used car & Airstream ads by Gibson and other ads it would attract more participation.

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Bill the moderation is heavy on anything less than perfect in content according to the forum owner Gibson and his henchman.



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Old 05-12-2010, 06:43 PM   #438
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Bill someone was kind enough to check.

Without the admin activity there was an average of 3 posts a day.

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How many of the 3 posts per day were leadership posts? I can see why Bill is barely interested. They rebuilt the forum with major changes to intice leadership communications, even banned and scripted out select members of critical opinion and STILL leadership does not frequent, mentor or field the board as they should. I no longer check in regularly either. Most of the posts are from the several administrators and of the calibre of muzak on an elevator. Differences of opinion are discouraged and also moved from the home page to maintain the pleasantville experience for visitors. In my opinion that is a bigger detriment than controversy. In today's media controversy is the norm and organizations that control exposure and releases are waning in popularity. The censors are their own worst enemies. Overprocessed and refined end products hold little substance for the eager reader.
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Last I looked this thread was about the WBCCI Board Lawsuit. Please keep the thread on topic.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:34 PM   #440
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I think the following excerpt from the above quote—"We need to evolve from a retired persons’ club to a family oriented club."—is curious. It seems a lot of retired people have left that club or never joined.

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I think the following excerpt from the above quote—"We need to evolve from a retired persons’ club to a family oriented club."—is curious. It seems a lot of retired people have left that club or never joined.

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And/or the IBT has figured out that Airstreamers are younger and will spend their money to go streaming and the future of the club depends on them.
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And/or the IBT has figured out that Airstreamers are younger and will spend their money to go streaming and the future of the club depends on them.
That was my interpretation.

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Old 05-13-2010, 06:36 AM   #443
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Last I looked this thread was about the WBCCI Board Lawsuit. Please keep the thread on topic.
Lee I guess you don't know what the lawsuit issues are.
Everything is on topic.
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Old 05-13-2010, 06:57 AM   #444
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I think the following excerpt from the above quote—"We need to evolve from a retired persons’ club to a family oriented club."—is curious. It seems a lot of retired people have left that club or never joined.

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Not being a member how can you make that assumption?
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Old 05-13-2010, 08:13 AM   #445
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It's called logic, Bob, and math. The membership of of the WBCCI has declined from over 25,000 to around 7,000. You can quibble with the numbers, but mine will serve for the purpose of discussion. Historically, the majority of the WBCCI membership has been retired persons. I don't have a citation, but would welcome anyone who could provide demographic information on the WBCCI.

If the two propositions (underlined) are correct, then Gene's suggestion must be true. Put another way, if the WBCCI is comprised mostly of retired people and over two-thirds have left, well, "a lot of retired people have left that club."

As for "never joined," I'm sure someone here can give us production numbers. With a little math, I think we could come up with a rough estimate of how many Airstream owners exist. I think it's safe to say only a small percentage of owners are members of the WBCCI. Again, if only a small percentage of Airstream owners join the WBCCI, then it is perfectly reasonable to conclude some of those people are retired... thus confirming Gene's statement.

Does anyone think pending litigation is going to boost membership numbers? Let's say this case goes to court and survives the dance of motions for summary dismissal. It will take time to go to trial. And if both sides have been motivated enough to fight this thing out in federal court, there is a good chance of an appeal. I understand the theory that litigation is going to "cure" the club of all that ails it... but that theory assumes 1) the plaintiffs will win the litigation; 2) the club they acquire via court order is sustainable; 3) that the "new" club will attract enough members to achieve solvency. "Congratulations on buying your new Airstream. Would you like to pay $75 to join a club named for a guy you've never heard of and that is embroiled in internal litigation? Oh, but you do get the nifty red numbers for your trailer and a blue hat."

No matter what happens in the litigation, some people will leave. Some of the old guard will leave if they are booted out. Some of the new guard will leave if the lawsuit fails. I don't see how losing members helps the club. And I don't think there are untold millions waiting to join pending the outcome of the litigation. I'm not a member. If Bob is representative of the post-litigation-victory-lap "new era" WBCII... no disrespect to anyone, but it won't be my cup of tea.

The crux of the WBCCI problem is the 50s/60s military management by objective, blue-jacke-red-tie-white-shirt write a better rule book approach. As far as I can tell, the lawsuit basically seeks to change the rule book so new people can write new better rules... which is supposed to fix everything. To borrow a phrase from hip-hop, Don't hate the player, hate the game. In my opinion, the lawsuit may change the players, but not the game.
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Not being a member how can you make that assumption?
Bob, what is with your need to dismiss any comment from a non-WBCCI member? For someone who so repeatedly bashes the wbcci forums for censorship, you seem to want to perpetrate your own version of that here.

Let people speak, for pete's sake.

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Lee I guess you don't know what the lawsuit issues are.
Everything is on topic.

Bob, There is no need to be condescending. I'm clear on what the issues are and who the players are.

Much like law what is "on topic" is all about interpretation.

Please stay clear of naming individuals and applying colorful names to them.
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