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Old 05-02-2010, 10:24 AM   #281
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What is still a huge question mark for me all along is what will happen if the plaintiff(s) win? A third party is appointed to go through the WBCCI bylaws and financials and rectify things? IBT is disbanded and a new body is organized? Etc. etc. etc.
This barracks lawyer will say on my own behalf that this action was never intended to be a coup, revolution, insurrection, or to force the Club into a court appointed trusteeship. It was conceived as a means to regain the membership's lost influence into the direction of the Club through a series of bylaw changes by the Leadership that has promoted secret trials, closed elections, financial irresponsibility, and in general taxation without representation.

The last time around my family were Loyalist, having received a land grant form the king, and fled to Canada. This time I decided to stick around. It just seems like the right thing to do.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:28 PM   #282
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A Unit meeting was held a short while ago, two votes were taken.

1. Metro New York will be the principle plaintiff in the lawsuit.

This was decided as a last ditch effort to save the WBCCI from it's own self destruction.

2. Metro NY voted to contribute $2,000 from its treasury to commence the lawsuit ASAP.


This amount plus the current pledges allows us to begin the suit.



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Wow. That's a huge step, and an enormous vote of support for this issue. It's not just individuals any more, and that will not go unnoticed.

We do support change in the WBCCI and wish y'all luck in getting it where it needs to be. We will also continue to do what we can from our little corner of the world.

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Old 05-02-2010, 01:29 PM   #283
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Smile GENE, yOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG

WBCCI is an organization made up of all walks of life. In Our club are many, many religions and they are practiced at rallies and other events. The fact that the individuals involved don't publish banner headlines of their activities. is not the concern of others except those who wish to support their actions. We have Blacks (the term used on the 2010 Census Form) in some of our units and many are good friends of mine. And yes, there are Gays (sorry, am ot up on the latest term) in several units that I know of and that is fine with me. All of theses people are good friends of mine and have been activite in the unit and Region levels. I was ounce bad mouthed by a woman (at the International level because I did not understand what "deversity" ment - Well she was wrong!! When I was Region 1 President, we talked the talk AND WALKED THE WALK!!

Region 1 Units have learned flexability and those units live in modern times if not in the future. They have young vibirant members that have fun and fellowship no matter your color or regelion or gender prefference.

SO HOW ABOUT GETTING YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST ERRORS!!!
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The truth is, there are very few professed Christians who actually practice Christianity. The WBCCI leadership do not sound as if they fall into this category. Simply pasting on a label does not a Christian organization make.

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Old 05-02-2010, 03:11 PM   #285
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When did religion become a part of this thread....and more importantly, why and what purpose does it serve.....
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I believe it was the editor of the BB in the last issue that has chosen the letters from readers and his response that has currently brought this issue to the fore. I was wondering after reading it who the editor is. It was not signed with a name only "editor."

I have been at rallies where prayer is offered as well as the pledge of alliegence to the flag of the United States, while both are customary at all of the Region and International rallies and some Unit rallies and meetings I think to have addressed the letters this time about religion and previously on flag ceremonies, the editor could have done a much better job in discussion.

I agree that this is but another opportunity where the WBCCI has demonstrated it's resistence to change and ability to widen out from its customs without as much as revisiting the concerns brought up anew. Basically their MO is "case closed," and usually not expressed in a particularly persuasive or well delivered manner, imo.

The club is definitely stuck in the past and the leadership chastises members and flaunts their right to have it so. The entitlement attitude and singlemindedness of the collective executive committee and its decisions might just as well be best represented by the phrase, "Because we said so."
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When did religion become a part of this thread....and more importantly, why and what purpose does it serve.....
I think that anything that pertains to WBCCI leadership, what they are and are not, is relevant at this highly deteriorated point in time. And, it was not an invitation to debate, just an observation. Not tryin' to pick a fight.

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When did religion become a part of this thread....and more importantly, why and what purpose does it serve.....
This thread is not here as a format to discussion of religion any more than several other topics contained in the tread are presented for debate. The mention of financial mismanagement is not meant to be a discussion of accounting 101, the continuance of closed elections are not meant to be a discussion on civics, nor are the secrete grievance trials meant to be a discussion in due process. The letter in question was sited here as just one more illustration of how out of touch the current Leadership is with the 21st century.
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I'm happy to report that Gail and Leo stopped by briefly at Metro NY's buddy rally this morning to thank and acknowledge our/his units support of their position.
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SO HOW ABOUT GETTING YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST ERRORS!!!
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I'm glad to hear your region lives in the present.

As I understand it this thread encompasses the concept of reform. So, after reading another thread which referred to the Blue Beret and then looking at that newsletter, I saw the letter to the editor and the editor's answer which clearly implied that the WBCCI was Christian oriented. Since the BB represents the views of the leadership, it is a reasonable assumption the leadership agrees with this approach.

This would seem to me to be an area where reform is necessary.

Anyone who reads threads about the WBCCI can see that many units do not agree with the leadership and are much more in the present. Nonetheless, other units appear to be in confluence with the leadership in some matters, perhaps most especially in a certain type of culture which reflects a long ago past.

At one time this country was more uniformly Protestant and some prayers might be comfortable to most of those denominations. There were relatively few Catholics and Jews; Indian religions were ignored. The culture was somewhat monolithic. I went to a high school in the '50's which was half Jewish, but Christian prayers were regularly used during assemblies. Now that appears to be highly insensitive, but then it was accepted as the way things were. The country's religious culture started changing 150+ years ago, but some haven't noticed. Just about any prayer has multiple versions depending what religion or denomination one subscribes to; some don't fit at all. 15% of Americans do not believe in any religion, twice the number 20 years ago. I know several Buddhists—who knew a Buddhist a generation ago?

Any group which promotes prayers as part of meetings and gatherings excludes certain members. Mostly those members keep their mouths shut because they know it will result in angry retorts by some people. I have no idea whether Blacks, Indians, gays, lesbians or members of any other group are welcomed or not by the WBCCI.

I was suggesting reform should include inclusiveness and encourage diversity. For what it's worth, I don't think I have ever seen a Black or an Indian with an RV.

Maggie, you are right, it was an observation.

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I have no idea whether Blacks, Indians, gays, lesbians or members of any other group are welcomed or not by the WBCCI.
If you or anyone else knows of any discrimination that should be brought to light.

I think that would be at the unit level anyway.

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I have.

Gene on another note religion will not be a subject of this lawsuit, please let's not go off on a tangent with that subject in this thread..
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I have no idea whether Blacks, Indians, gays, lesbians or members of any other group are welcomed or not by the WBCCI.

I was suggesting reform should include inclusiveness and encourage diversity. For what it's worth, I don't think I have ever seen a Black or an Indian with an RV.
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I am Shawnee but have never met another native that Airstreams, but I am sure there are some. You will see lots of natives in RV's on the Pow wow circuit.
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Gene on another note religion will not be a subject of this lawsuit, please let's not go off on a tangent with that subject in this thread..
The discussion of race, religion or politics has ended a few thread in the past. This thread is very close to political. Airforum members might what to leave the other two topics out of this thread.
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Ok back on track,

I think there are about 100 units out there, do any of you think your unit may be interested in joining the lawsuit as co plaintiffs?

If so please pm myself Howie or Leo to discuss it.
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