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Old 03-26-2010, 03:23 PM   #239
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don't ya at LEAST have a link to the 4sale ad to include here?

somebody here might WANT a sovereign to RULE over...

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I do, but I think I have it sold.

We'll see.
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:44 PM   #240
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Try as I may I cannot see the objection. There are links here on Air Forums ALL the time to help aliviate discomfort from heavy pockets. There are help this one or buy this thing or how about an Airstream or parts... There are many members and former members that think the raise in WBCCI dues for what it is collected for and used for is a waste of money. In my case I am choosing to spend the amount of WBCCI dues as a pledge and hoping that it will help make the club a better one. If not, all I am out of is the remainder of 2010 membership dues, which is in no way limiting to an Airstreamer but does eliminate the amount IBT has of mine to spend. For a one year's shot, after so many squandered years' dues it seems to me to be well worth the risk. It's the last ditch attempt in my case. I am still not totally off rejoining yet, but if nothing comes of this either than it's good-bye WBCCI for me for next year too.
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Carol, he's trying to derail the thread, you (we) maybe better off not playing into him.

most of his posts are so cryptic most folks here don't understand them anyway
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:43 PM   #242
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Try as I may I cannot see the objection. There are links here on Air Forums ALL the time to help aliviate discomfort from heavy pockets...
well at least you've FINALLY identified the PURPOSE of this thread (alleviate some1s discomfort with MONEY)...

admitting the issue IS a first step to recovery.

Airstream Forums - Airstream Owners Community- Community Rules

read the LINK above or any of the mod posts INTO the thread.

so politics is a no no, LIES and unsubstantiated rumors are a no no.

REdirects are a no no, the money stuff is a no no and so on.
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now, the PROBLEM with this approach (asking u a question) is i am encouraging a reply...

don't be confused, that's not the intent.
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none of that (tos/tou/cr) even touches on the BULLYING ("deal with it" "not a member" "don't sidetrack us")

directed toward those apposed to the thread OR the lawsuit OR the methods of resolving club conflict used in THIS thread.

see those opposed to this thread do NOT all come from one 'group' as howieE incorrectly labeled "us"...

in fact MANY of us may not agree or ANY other issues and probably have never met each other.
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more vague but just as palpable is the continually REwritten history just to serve the purpose of the cry/save/defend/crymore group.

1. your own posts HERE have admitted only coming HERE for the mud wrestling.

and while that surely includes some humor or sarcasm it's also reasonably true and supported by 100s of post.

2. on the mal thing again u rewrite history.

the kingpin at cry/save/defend/crymore was NEVER in real supportive of mals.

and USED those threads and posts HERE to encourage mals to JOIN a unit or go to the cry/save/defend/crymore site...

and eventually posted AGREEMENT with the wb' bobble heads that the MAL section should be eliminated (forced to join a unit)

or COERCED by UPPING the fees charged for mals, who CONSUME/D NO club resources.

3. the cry/save/defend/crymore site also advocated NOT using air forums, except to PROMOTE the club and other sites...

the AIR forum community was regularly referred to as the "anti club" on the c/d/s/crymore site.

it fact wb' members who showed the SLIGHTEST public support for air rallies were encouraged NOT to do that.

because the "anti club" gatherings and popularity as an ALTERNATIVE to the wb' was and IS threatening....

((someone mentioned an AIR rally briefly in their wb' unit newsletter and got SCOLED,

not by the wb' or the ibt, but by the cry/save/defend/cry leadership, 4 PROMOTING the competition...))


4. the point being the group NOW under duress and CRYING here...

have a LONG written/documented and KNOWN history of only USING the airforums site for THEIR OWN GAINs or GARBAGE...

and you know this stuff is ALL true carol, so there is no point in yes buttin' it.
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vendors/classified/sales and so on aren't the issue HERE now.
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but along with what the REAL issue is here, is the simple fact that the cry/save/defend/crymore core...

only comes here to defecate and solicit eyes toward their personal issues with the club and to redirect folks to another website.

all the while having ANOTHER PLAN aimed at HURTING this forum and the larger community HERE,

and these are MOSTLY folks who could care LESS about the opera playing elsewhere.
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it's no fun to sling mud without a audience right?
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and 'pets is figuring out that the scream/holler/cry/accuse/insult tactic isn't gonna cut it directed thisaway.

he's got nothing to counter these thoughts so NONthoughts or insults are used....

and compared to prior insults, the last post is NOT very neeeeyukish...

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Carol, he's trying to derail the thread, you (we) maybe better off not playing into him.

most of his posts are so cryptic most folks here don't understand them anyway
And once again, we see more proof of what 2air clearly explained: when you can't really argue with the facts, the easiest tactic is to use snide insults and a dismissive attitude to belittle them.

In other words, if you can't bully them, question their motives, call them useless idiots, and tell people to ignore them.

Oh, and send money! MO' MUNEE!

I'm surprised that the money-begging has continued to be allowed, despite it being prohibited in the TOS. When I protested at getting an email asking for a money, I was told it was because I had posted something that had made the writer think I supported their cause. I don't, in case that isn't clear.

So fire away...
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At least we're learning some new words. Can't say it improves my vocabulary though.
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:51 PM   #245
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From an insurance perspective:

1. there was a mention that the WB Board may be liable if they don't settle when the insurance carrier wants to - D&O doesn't work that way...

2. one of the major claims I believe is financial mismanagement? and I think the plan is to file in NY? - how do you plan to address issues such as these...

Derivative lawsuits are claims against a board member on behalf of the corporation. The typical claim here would be mismanagement of assets. But, under New York State law only a few people have "standing" or the right to bring such claims. They are: 1) board member(s) suing other board member(s) 2) members of an organization suing a board (if at least 5% of the total membership join the lawsuit), and 3) the state Attorney General.

A non-pecuniary, or non-monetary claim, is one where a plaintiff is not asking for monetary damages, but is ideological in nature, i.e.: a suit against the board for not fulfilling its mission. These types of suits, although rare, are usually lengthy and costly in legal fees.
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Old 03-27-2010, 09:30 PM   #246
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2) members of an organization suing a board (if at least 5% of the total membership join the lawsuit)
Getting 300 members to sign on is certainly in the realm of possibility.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:00 AM   #247
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Getting 300 members to sign on is certainly in the realm of possibility.
Would it be correct to assume that would only require a signature somewhere and not necessarily require any financial support ??

I seem to recall something in the wbcci bylaws about requirement of 1000 signatures for some actions. Probably not unreasonable when the membership was at a peak in the 70's (30k or so?) but is certainly not reasonable with only 6 k members.
It would seem to me that a properly written rule would require a percentage rather than a fixed number.

Any one want to try to run that one through the system ?
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While a lawsuit may be filed in NY, the law used may be that of another state. The WBCCI may be incorporated in Ohio or Delaware, for example. Issues like conflict of laws, choice of laws and jurisdictional questions are too complex to begin explaining here.

So far as insurance goes, policies are different in different states. The "hammer clause" is inserted into many policies to force an insured to settle, or pay part of a recovery himself. Similar requirements about monetary settlements exist in some states' laws to force settlements. Once of the first things to look at in your insurance policy when there's the possibility of litigation is whether there's a hammer clause—it may be there, it may not. Whether there will be a monetary claim in a lawsuit against the WBCCI is not known to me, but is a potential claim.

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If there is any chance you have failed to grasp the reasoning behind the intended lawsuit against the Leadership you may want to start following this thread. The exceptions noted there clearly indicate the general contempt the Leadership has for what they refer to as the "Mere Members" and any attempt they might want to be represented in the process.
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Another demonstration of superior leadership and their continuing effort to bring Value to the membership at ever increasing cost.

The Midwest unit, a veteran of 50 years, has disbanded.

Relive the fun and freedom of Airstream travel at museum in April

This means one less stop on the annual around the country crusade to exhaust the bank account. This may force then to stop at a WDCU rally, the 4th largest unit in the country, for the first time in the quest to keep the expensive as high as possible.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:36 AM   #251
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The website says the unit disbanded in 2007. Is this new news?

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Old 03-29-2010, 10:47 AM   #252
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The putting of the lifestyle as an exhibit in the history museum and invitation to relive the fun and Airstream travel is new. Some of the details of the club may also be new to some. I didn't know about that unit. It must have been very large. Changes in units and their geographic location restrictions must have been added some time over the 50 years when units got too big and had to be divided.

"The Midwest Unit of the Airstream Travel Trailer Club, known as the Wally Byam Caravan Club International, was founded in Michigan City in 1957. Named for the inventor of the Airstream travel trailer, the unit grew to include nine states in the Midwest. Club members proudly toured the country together in their shiny streamlined travel trailers, made of aluminum, for many years until the unit disbanded in 2007."
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