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Old 02-10-2006, 09:22 PM   #43
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Possible meeting last summer ??

Andy and Carol may have met each other this past summer at Airstream's 2005 Homecoming, as both were there (and I met each of them there). As president of the Detroit Unit, Andy spent much of the first few days (along with other Detroit Unit members) graciously parking all the trailers. He was the large guy in an orange vest waving a large orange flag. Carol was the gal with one or two camera around her neck all the time who hung out at that unusual blue/green Argosy trailer near the front row. Did you two meet each other at the 2005 Homecoming?
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Old 02-10-2006, 10:35 PM   #44
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Andy and Carol may have met each other this past summer at Airstream's 2005 Homecoming, as both were there (and I met each of them there). As president of the Detroit Unit, Andy spent much of the first few days (along with other Detroit Unit members) graciously parking all the trailers. He was the large guy in an orange vest waving a large orange flag. Carol was the gal with one or two camera around her neck all the time who hung out at that unusual blue/green Argosy trailer near the front row. Did you two meet each other at the 2005 Homecoming?
Hi Fred,

We did indeed meet. Andy made a great greeter and parker. First person I met on site that year. (He and Claudia are featured in the Airstream 75th Anniversary book.) Not only did I have the pleasure of meeting Andy and Claudia and their dog Triton, but I got to meet our membership chairman and treasurer, Rachel and Don Bates. We rallied together with the Neumanns and the Bates at our Metro-Detroit forums rally (1st annual Louapalooza) last August in Ottisville as well. Andy gave us each a flamingo! Too cool.

Andy, please feel free to subtract the postage from my luncheon refund. I haven't received a reply from you or Rachel to my response so it seems I have got you all still working quite hard on resolution??

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Old 02-11-2006, 07:02 AM   #45
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Here's a cute ditty Andy wrote about the forums rally. I'm the photo gal--Gilligan? Can't beat the rallies that are all about just camping. Now if we could just throw out those pesky and overly rigid rules we'd have it made in the shade.

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Old 02-13-2006, 01:24 PM   #46
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Kudo's to Andy as well...

I'd like to thank Andy for his message above as well.. Doing things for a good reason and having unintended consequences is not a bad thing, especially from a volunteer who is willing to work and put in effort for the good of others... Reading about member outrage over $2 dues increase suggests a disconnect with new members who are spending $35,000 and up for a trailer, and more than that for a single gallon of gas. If the unit is delivering value, an incremental $2 or $5 in cost will not be cause for outrage. I also appreciate offers to join other units or events.. We may take them up, as I am young by our unit standards (late 50's) but retired enough with some time to travel.. I've heard good things about Northern Nevada unit, and Northern California and Monterey units also.

Purpose of my messages is not to whine, but share info on what I think is great topic about good and "less good" about some local units of WBCCI.. I know Cindy Reed of HQ lurks here from time to time, and have traded messages with her offering encouragement for the member survey and the positive things they do. I think the Forum Rallies are becoming a great way to exchange best practices and good ideas, and hope they continue to expand as well...

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Old 02-13-2006, 03:51 PM   #47
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I would like to thank those that sent messages, and posted supportive replies to my last posting. It was very kind. Thanks.

The WBCCI unit we joined last year is tailor fit to its senior members. They are good people that tried to be kind, and helpful. The comment about my daughter was in no way meant to offend. They were just telling us the rules.

It would be easy to tear into the existing unit and upset its members by trying to change things but we do not believe we should. If 95% of a unit is happy with the way things are being run do you think they would change anything for a single new family? If you were in the 95% would you? I am not sure I would. (Sometimes I wonder how set in my ways Iíll be at 75) We wish these people the best.

Since there are no other WBCCI units close we decided to see if there was any interest in building a new unit that accommodates working families. Our local Airstream dealer volunteered to assist by getting the word out to people that pass through the dealership, and we will try using Region nines idea about advertising in the local neighborhood papers.

We would like to retain a good relationship with the existing unit so we can take advantage of their experience. While I have different camping needs then my seniors do I am not foolish enough to believe they have no value. They could make good mentors, and there is no reason the two groups could not work well together as long as each respects the other. Who know, maybe my Scouting Wood Badge training (Bear) will come in handy getting this off the ground.

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Old 02-13-2006, 04:06 PM   #48
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Hi Terry,

I read your post with interest and can sympathise with your situation.In some areas,starting anew may be the only solution as you explained so well.I feel you have taken some great steps forward having the dealership involved and running ads in the local papers.I know there has to be quite a few potential members in your area.You may even get some responses from forum members.Best of luck to you.
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:37 PM   #49
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Since there are no other WBCCI units close we decided to see if there was any interest in building a new unit that accommodates working families. Our local Airstream dealer volunteered to assist by getting the word out to people that pass through the dealership, and we will try using Region nines idea about advertising in the local neighborhood papers.
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If your proposed new unit stretched into Michigan, you could all it the OH-MI Unit as in "Oh My!"

I would be interested to learn more about how the new Texas Unit was formed and yours too, if you are successful. I know you need at least 10 memberships willing to sign up to start a new unit. I think you need to hold at least two functions (rally's or caravans) to which members bring their Airstream's each year (i.e. luncheons don't count). I wonder how minimalistic you can get the "rules" (i.e. the Unit Constitution and Bylaws)? I wonder how much influence WBCCI National has over how these Unit rules are formed? I am curious about what else it takes to form a new unit.

If you get started down this path, please keep us informed of your progress.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:07 AM   #50
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Joe,

My approach to starting a new unit was based on a rather small geographic foot print to enable working families the opportunity to participate. This came from the idea that working families would not have the time or desire to travel over 120 miles for weekend events. Perhaps I am thinking too small.

When you asked if we would open the unit to Michigan it forced us to rethink what we were trying to do. If the goal is to build new WBCCI units that accommodate the needs of working families why not open the unit to anyone? The next logical step in this thought process asks why not form new units through forum threads.

Help me out here.

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Terry, you might want to contact our unit President, David Tidmore. He is "dtbw" on this forum. I thought I had a copy of our constitution and by-laws but I can't find it, however it is way more minimalistic. He is the one that got everything started so I'm sure he would happy to offer some insight.
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Joe,

My approach to starting a new unit was based on a rather small geographic foot print to enable working families the opportunity to participate. This came from the idea that working families would not have the time or desire to travel over 120 miles for weekend events. Perhaps I am thinking too small.

When you asked if we would open the unit to Michigan it forced us to rethink what we were trying to do. If the goal is to build new WBCCI units that accommodate the needs of working families why not open the unit to anyone? The next logical step in this thought process asks why not form new units through forum threads.

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Terry,

If you start a new unit, it must be open to anyone. However, those who are able to participate will be the main ones to join. If you think that only those in a 120 mile radius of you will join, will that mean that all rallies will be in your back yard or within a 120 mile radius of you? If the latter, which I believe will be, then someone who is 240 miles away could attend if the rally was 120 miles from you. We have members in our unit (El Camino Real, in So Cal) in Colorado and hold rallies from San Diego to Mariposa (near Yosemite), not everyone attends, only those who can. We have traveled as far as Death Valley (250 miles) and as close as San Clemente (30 miles) for rallies.

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My approach to starting a new unit was based on a rather small geographic foot print to enable working families the opportunity to participate. This came from the idea that working families would not have the time or desire to travel over 120 miles for weekend events. Perhaps I am thinking too small.

When you asked if we would open the unit to Michigan it forced us to rethink what we were trying to do. If the goal is to build new WBCCI units that accommodate the needs of working families why not open the unit to anyone? The next logical step in this thought process asks why not form new units through forum threads.

Help me out here.

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Terry,
I totally agree on the geographic thing for the main focus of your new unit. While I might consider becoming an associate of your new unit, I would like to keep my primary membership closer to home if possible, for the same reasons you'd like to keep yours centered near where you are. (As an aside, so far so good for me with trying out the Metro-Detroit Unit after attending the first luncheon. )

I put the OH-MI thing in there mainly as a touch of humor (I know poor attempt).

I do wish you luck with the new unit. WBCCI certainly could use more units that focus on working folks and families. While retirees are and will likely continue to be the larger portion of the club (and probably many units work very well for them), we need to get new folks "in" pre-retirement, so that they can eventually ease into the retiree lifestyle in the Club. Better that than waiting until they are retired to try to attract them to the club.
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This was a poor choice of words on my part, and wkerfoot correctly brought this to my attention. We never thought about restricting who could join. We just never considered someone from another state would want to join a unit over 120 miles away.

The rally schedule will be based on the availability of the members. Families with kids often stay close to home when the kids are in school, then take an extended vacation during the summer months.

Weekend camping is very challenging for a lot of people just to get packed. Most communities today restrict home owners from keeping their RV at home, and some even have a 1 hour parking limit. The time required to retrieve the RV from a storage facility, pack it, and get on the road is not trivial. Add in a couple hours of travel time, water tank fill up, and site setup before Mom and Dad can sit down and catch their breath.

The trip home is no less time consuming. You have the travel time, unpacking, cleaning, and the trip back to the storage facility. Lord help those that think they can leave the RV on the street overnight. A young couple with a new 28í Airstream was telling me Saturday that the police woke them up saying they could no leave the RV on the street overnight.

With this kind of environment to deal with I believe most rallies during the school year will be less then 180 miles from home. The summer months are a different ball game. We are currently planning a trip to Rapid City SD for 2007. I want to show the kids where I lived and biked in the 70ís!

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I can certainly see that not being able to get your materials without attending a rally would be frustrating! We all just want to go camping and have fun.

Local units vary in their composition, approaches, and do have local rules, but that is a part of the flexibility that allows the members to actually run the club! WBCCI has a long and cool history and new trends are definitely breaking through as is evidenced by many excellent units. Like everything else, the club is run by those who show up.

It is a volunteer organization run by volunteers. Forward thinking volunteers will result in a forward thinking club. I joined when I was just about 33 and have been a member for 17 years. Despite some frustrations, the club is definitely worth it. My unit, the South Carolina Coastal Unit is one that has moved forward in many ways and we are still working on it. We definitely just want to go camping and have fun!
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