Want to Help Charter a New Unit in New Mexico?

[GT1963]

Just a little note on the side....I have noticed that there are some people who really get turned off by the word "competition".

There are many forms of competition out there.

In my opinion fair competition is healthy. But when "competition" is associated with "competing for members" in this instance I thing we are way out in left field - actually we are not even in the ball park.

A WBCCI member is a member no matter which way you slice it. They can participate at their home unit, next doors unit, State Rallies, Region Rallies Theme Rallys throughout the Country/Continent or International events.

As members of WBCCI we can attend and feel at home in any Unit hosted Rally ...how on earth did "competition" ever get into the conversasion at this level I will never understand.

Where it should be is as mentioned - friendly rivalrys for the good of the community and the misfortunate. Or internal competitions in crafts or games which can either raise money or not. Competition brings about fun, commoradory, team play, communication and community spirit.

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by klevan

Chester Haughawaut, Region 11 1st VP, provided a comprehensive analysis and rationale, much too long to paste into this reply. Send me a PM with your email address and I will be happy to forward it to you along with a copy of our letter requesting the provisional charter.

I have listened to both views on this situation and for the life of me cannot understand the decision.This decision is especially troubling to me at this point in WBCCI's history.
Why are we turning away members?I have to give Chester credit for some of his analysis but not with the results.
I see Chester is from the New Mexico Unit as is klevan and hope that some compromise can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

[SilverToy]

Hello all -

I have been 'in on' the conversation with Ken since early in the process of trying to get the provisional charter. I too, was astonished, to see that there was a denial from the Region 11 "Powers that be". I've met Chester, and he seemed more open minded than his reply would seem to indicate. Perhaps it was written by committee....?

All that being said, I was ready, willing and prepared to join the FCU when the charter came through. Alas, my proactive wife re-joined the NM unit while I was at the Grand Canyon. I emailed that info to Ken telling him that I was going to 'un' join and then pay to the FCU. His response was that I shouldn't do that, as the NM leadership would likely find this to be inflamitory. How right he was/is.

This letter from Chester has now made the decision for me. I am going to get the $ back from them. I'll join the FCU! or whatever it winds up being. I'll join whatever camping unit I want, the old ways DO NOT do it for me. Some really nice folks ( and they love those multiple stars) in the NM unit - I am spliting from the leadership and their 'my way or the highway' attitudes, NOT the poeple in the unit!

AirStreamer's are AirStreamer's after all. Camping is what is all about. Period.

Long live the Four Corners Unit!!! Can I get an 'Amen'???

Ken, where do I send the check??

Axel
SilverToy

[bryanl]

how on earth did "competition" ever get into the conversasion at this level I will never understand.

It got there because of the reasons given for the formation of a new unit and the rationalizatopms for its formation.

To me, a key factor is that this idea for a Unit came about not through the process of a group of friends getting together at times and then deciding to organize but rather as a means to avoid working within the system to effect change. That is the competition that was of concern and I think it is a valid concern.

Camping may be what some say it is all about but look at what drives their behavior. It is anything but camping. If it was only camping then all the bitching about rules that don't exist and philosophies and protocol and organization would sink into their proper perspective.

Anyone reading this thread should see several choices. One is to learn and understand and find out what is going on. It is tolerant of others and looks for ways to coexist and cooperate. I don't see much of that here. Instead I see confrontation, combativeness, challenges, assuming the worst, questionable perceptions, and discord. And that worries me.

[indiancreek]

I just stumbled upon this thread and boy, am I glad I did! I have been considering joining the local WBCCI here in Big D, or actually just been considering going to a unit meeting first to see what it was like. Sounds like sheer torture to me! Do they use Roberts Rules of Parliamentary Procedure and all that stuff?? Sure smacks of a Bible-beating church service to me where the true message and intent of being there (loving fellowship of like-minded folks) is totally lost with all the hate-mongering and excluding going on!! Now I'm not prone to do this ordinarily, but this kind of lights me up, being on the receiving end of some of the hate-mongering going on in the US today from members of the so-called "right". Get it? wink, wink I think if you guys do form a unit under any auspices I would love to join up, if you'd have a 50 something "spinster" (wink, wink) from Dallas who considers Northern New Mexico a piece of heaven and a second home. I will not waste a moment of my time in an atmosphere which does not promote joyful fellowship, relaxation, fun and authentic friendships in the beautiful outdoors. I had enough of that when I worked all the time! Also, please forgive if I offended any of you with my characterization of the "right". I do attend Church, but I'm a major lefty!

[Over59]

Originally Posted by indiancreek

I just stumbled upon this thread and boy, am I glad I did! I have been considering joining the local WBCCI here in Big D, or actually just been considering going to a unit meeting first to see what it was like. Sounds like sheer torture to me! Do they use Roberts Rules of Parliamentary Procedure and all that stuff?? Sure smacks of a Bible-beating church service to me where the true message and intent of being there (loving fellowship of like-minded folks) is totally lost with all the hate-mongering and excluding going on!! Now I'm not prone to do this ordinarily, but this kind of lights me up, being on the receiving end of some of the hate-mongering going on in the US today from members of the so-called "right". Get it? wink, wink I think if you guys do form a unit under any auspices I would love to join up, if you'd have a 50 something "spinster" (wink, wink) from Dallas who considers Northern New Mexico a piece of heaven and a second home. I will not waste a moment of my time in an atmosphere which does not promote joyful fellowship, relaxation, fun and authentic friendships in the beautiful outdoors. I had enough of that when I worked all the time! Also, please forgive if I offended any of you with my characterization of the "right". I do attend Church, but I'm a major lefty!

Confession is good for the soul. We'll pray for you.

[indiancreek]

Confession of being a lefty or a spinster is good for the soul? I'll pray for you, too! And while you're praying for me, would you pray that I don't break my back while trying to put the Rv cover on my Bambi!?

[Over59]

Originally Posted by indiancreek

Confession of being a lefty or a spinster is good for the soul? I'll pray for you, too! And while you're praying for me, would you pray that I don't break my back while trying to put the Rv cover on my Bambi!?

With all this praying going on good stuff may start happening any time now.

You intend to cover the whole trailer? Most recommend again it. Do a search or start a thread and you may save your back, and your Bambi.

[wkerfoot]

Originally Posted by indiancreek

I just stumbled upon this thread and boy, am I glad I did! I have been considering joining the local WBCCI here in Big D, or actually just been considering going to a unit meeting first to see what it was like. Sounds like sheer torture to me! Do they use Roberts Rules of Parliamentary Procedure and all that stuff?? Sure smacks of a Bible-beating church service to me where the true message and intent of being there (loving fellowship of like-minded folks) is totally lost with all the hate-mongering and excluding going on!! Now I'm not prone to do this ordinarily, but this kind of lights me up, being on the receiving end of some of the hate-mongering going on in the US today from members of the so-called "right". Get it? wink, wink I think if you guys do form a unit under any auspices I would love to join up, if you'd have a 50 something "spinster" (wink, wink) from Dallas who considers Northern New Mexico a piece of heaven and a second home. I will not waste a moment of my time in an atmosphere which does not promote joyful fellowship, relaxation, fun and authentic friendships in the beautiful outdoors. I had enough of that when I worked all the time! Also, please forgive if I offended any of you with my characterization of the "right". I do attend Church, but I'm a major lefty!

Indiancreek,

There are 140+- units in WBCCI with 140+- individual personalties. We belong to El Camino Real and are associates with South Coast, both in Southern California. These two units have different personalities, but we enjoy both. ECR has about 80 members and the rallies have about 25 rigs, SC has about 25 members and is lucky to have 10 rigs at a rally.

Check out the Dallas unit before you condemn them, if their personality fits you join, if not find another.

Bill

[bryanl]

I will not waste a moment of my time in an atmosphere which does not promote joyful fellowship, relaxation, fun and authentic friendships in the beautiful outdoors.

You are much more likely to find those things you seek with your local WBCCI Unit than you are in this thread.

[dscluchfc]

Originally Posted by Leipper

It got there because of the reasons given for the formation of a new unit and the rationalizatopms for its formation.

To me, a key factor is that this idea for a Unit came about not through the process of a group of friends getting together at times and then deciding to organize but rather as a means to avoid working within the system to effect change. That is the competition that was of concern and I think it is a valid concern.

Camping may be what some say it is all about but look at what drives their behavior. It is anything but camping. If it was only camping then all the bitching about rules that don't exist and philosophies and protocol and organization would sink into their proper perspective.

Anyone reading this thread should see several choices. One is to learn and understand and find out what is going on. It is tolerant of others and looks for ways to coexist and cooperate. I don't see much of that here. Instead I see confrontation, combativeness, challenges, assuming the worst, questionable perceptions, and discord. And that worries me.

I believe you and Chester should go have a weekend together. You seem of like mind.

[indiancreek]

Sorry for the diversion. I am serious about knowing more about your progress with your new Unit. Would love to come to NM or anywhere in the Four Corners and hang out with you.

[bryanl]

David, I suggest that the ad hominem is not a good practice to engage in.

I am wondering if your comment is eschewing the idea of trying to learn and understand. It sure sounds like it. If so, why?

[47WeeWind]

Bryan:

Since you seem to understand and approve of his action, could you please list here for me all the positive consequences flowing from Region 11's First V.P., Chester Haughawaut's, disapproval of a one year provisional charter for the proposed Four Corner's Camping Unit? Thank you!