View Poll Results: How will you vote on WBCCI motor home issue?
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WBCCI member voting "yes"
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4 |
3.17% |
WBCCI member voting "no"
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98 |
77.78% |
WBCCI member voting "abstain"
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WBCCI member not voting
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0.79% |
Non-WBCCI member voting "yes"
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0.79% |
Non-WBCCI member voting "no"
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22 |
17.46% |
Non-WBCCI member voting "abstain"
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Non-WBCCI not voting
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04-13-2007, 11:49 AM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
Posts: 4,282
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Vote here on WBCCI motor home issue
This is a simple preliminary poll to try to see how the "four winds" are blowing on the airstream forums...I'm hoping that everyone who reads this post will participate in the poll. There is an option for everyone in the poll!
The poll is separated into two parts (i.e., WBCCI members and non members) so we can get a better feel for how this forum thinks on this issue with a split of votes by WBCCI membership vs. non-membership.
Note, non-members of WBCCI...here's your chance to vote on a WBCCI issue!
P.S.
A "yes" vote means you are in favor of allowing Four Winds motor homes into the WBCCI.
A "no" vote means you are not in favor of this.
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04-13-2007, 12:06 PM
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no offense...
i've already voted.
there already IS a poll on this topic...
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...oll-29426.html
it's not perfect but makes THE salient points obvious.
i hope we (on the airf) aren't headed toward multiple polls on the same topic...
like last year, when there were 4-5 polls on the name change issue
NONE of which mattered ultimately to the wbc.
or is this really another 'game' thread...
cheers
2air'
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04-13-2007, 12:06 PM
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Rivet Master
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,721
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I assume a Yes vote is in favor of motor homes?
What's the difference between "not voting" and "abstaining"?
(I didn't vote on the other poll because I'm not a WbbcI member).
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04-13-2007, 12:10 PM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
Posts: 4,282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2airishuman
no offense...
i've already voted.
there already IS a poll on this topic...
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...oll-29426.html
it's not perfect but makes THE salient points obvious.
i hope we (on the airf) aren't headed toward multiple polls on the same topic...
like last year, when there were 4-5 polls on the name change issue
NONE of which mattered ultimately to the wbc.
or is this really another 'game' thread...
cheers
2air'
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No offense taken.
1) I did see the other poll but wanted to make the fine distinction between WBCCI members vs. non members.
2) I'm sure you can now see that this is not a duplicate of the poll you referenced above as the other poll doesn't differentiate between members vs. non members.
3) I am not in the habit of posting duplicate polls. With regards to whether or not the ASF is heading in that direction...I can only say I can't speak for them.
4) I don't care if this matters to the WBCCI...it matters to me and perhaps to others who are reading this.
5) This is not a game thread.
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04-13-2007, 12:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
, Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,080
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Maybe the voting climate has changed and some will vote differently at this time. Or maybe it just feels sooo good to vote your preference because it doesn't matter to the IBT. Again. Besides others like Yuki and I still care about the WBCCI.
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04-13-2007, 12:12 PM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
Posts: 4,282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markdoane
I assume a Yes vote is in favor of motor homes?
What's the difference between "not voting" and "abstaining"?
(I didn't vote on the other poll because I'm not a WbbcI member).
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A "yes" vote is in favor of letting Four Winds motor homes into the WBCCI.
The "abstain" refers to someone who is counted toward the total count of members that are voting but this member is abstaining from voting. This is an important distinction in WBCCI voting process because it determines how votes are ultimately distributed.
"Not voting" simply means you don't intend to participate in the voting. It is different from "abstaining" in that you are not counted toward the total count of people who are part of voting process. I'm not sure if I've articulated this clearly. Anyone else feel free to help me out.
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04-13-2007, 12:21 PM
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Certifiable
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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I always feel so good after voting!
And I can't wait to vote "NO" at our upcoming business meeting.
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04-13-2007, 12:32 PM
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Aluminut
2004 25' Safari
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,477
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No way Jose!
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04-13-2007, 01:05 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,151
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I am betting the results will not be far off from the 2 choice poll I ran before. I'll perdict an overall 80% or better against. Of course I voted WBCCI member against. Mr. Schafer and the rest of the IBT, are you listening?
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04-13-2007, 01:11 PM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buttercup
I am betting the results will not be far off from the 2 choice poll I ran before. I'll perdict an overall 80% or better against.
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I agree. I just wanted to see the break out by member vs. non member and I wanted to measure the apathy vote too. Now, all I need is for everyone to VOTE!
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04-13-2007, 01:55 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 12
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I voted no!
I heard a rumor that three out of the 12 regions voted no at the IBT meeting. Does anyone have more information on this? Is it true? If so, what are the three regions?
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04-13-2007, 03:42 PM
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Islay - 63 O.
1963 26' Overlander
Montreal
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 581
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again and always NO
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04-13-2007, 06:02 PM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianP
I heard a rumor that three out of the 12 regions voted no at the IBT meeting. Does anyone have more information on this? Is it true? If so, what are the three regions?
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I know that Region 1 voted against the MH issue. I'm not sure what the other two regions are. Is there a chance this MH issue will actually make it through and pass???
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04-13-2007, 06:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
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I don't know who the other vote was either but I think the 3rd was not able to be contacted for the emergency IBT meeting via e-mail so it was 10 yes 2 no and 1 not voted.
I don't think the member support from the units would be high enough to have it pass (2/3 of the units vote by delgates at Perry?). Also it has been said that there are those that voted yes to having the amendment voted upon by the membership, and not yes to the amendment's passage.
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04-13-2007, 07:20 PM
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Rivet Master
1993 25' Excella
Full Time
, Anywhere USA
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 2,708
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No surprise here - WBCCI member #7032 votes NO
We joined the WBCCI because it is an Airstream Club. It is our hope (and goal) that it remains an Airstream only club.
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New England Unit
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04-13-2007, 07:21 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Sunnyvale
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,894
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Only unit member to oppose..
I will again be the only member of our unit to vote no, thus making me a standout as I was last year on the name change (more over licensing concerns than Wally's legacy..)
My theory this year is apparently equally out of mainstream.. I know and like Jim Elmlinger, and do believe some loyal and dedicated volunteers will be lost as result of Airstream dumping motorhome production..
Rather than open club to 1 model of non-Airstream motorhomes, I'd much preferred to see a "Legacy Member" provision established, where anyone who has been a member of WBCCI for 10 years or more may remain a member regardless of what they own, if they wish to remain active and pay dues... If they've been around that long, and have made friends and commitments as a volunteer, why not let them remain... Oh well, think of me when my unit announces 30 "Yea's" and 1 "Nay..."
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04-13-2007, 07:25 PM
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,800
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100% "no"
All,
At the WDCU "biz" meeting today, on a show of hands, it was a 100% "NO" on the motorhome issue. We will send out the amendment for a vote on May 1. Also, it was decided, if the wording of the Amendment is changed even one word on the floor, "ALL" votes will go to "NO". We currently have 104 members. On an "interesting" note, it was also decided, if during the "nominating" phase of the new International officers, "if possible", we the WDCU will "nominate" Barry Heckenswiler our current Region 2 President for 3VP of the International officers. Barry is a trailer guy.
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04-13-2007, 07:51 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2003 39' Land Yacht XL 330 hp w/2slides
White Lake
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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As a airstream class "A" MH owner I feel this amendment is going to pass because the IBT doesn't really care what you or I think.
Reading the Blue Beret tells it all.
I really feel for you trailer owners. You folks started this club and have supported it for all these years and a small minority want to change it for their convience.
why don't they just join the FMCA. We belong and it has a lot to offer also.
We won't go down without a fight, but I think the fat lady is warming up.
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04-13-2007, 08:47 PM
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Rivet Master
1993 25' Excella
Full Time
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Join Date: May 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condoluminum
I will again be the only member of our unit to vote no, thus making me a standout as I was last year on the name change (more over licensing concerns than Wally's legacy..)
My theory this year is apparently equally out of mainstream.. I know and like Jim Elmlinger, and do believe some loyal and dedicated volunteers will be lost as result of Airstream dumping motorhome production..
Rather than open club to 1 model of non-Airstream motorhomes, I'd much preferred to see a "Legacy Member" provision established, where anyone who has been a member of WBCCI for 10 years or more may remain a member regardless of what they own, if they wish to remain active and pay dues... If they've been around that long, and have made friends and commitments as a volunteer, why not let them remain... Oh well, think of me when my unit announces 30 "Yea's" and 1 "Nay..."
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I agree with you. We need to do something that allows these folks to retain their WBCCI membership for all the hard work, time and effort these members have put in. I support the idea of "Legacy Member", it's a win - win solution.
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New England Unit
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04-14-2007, 07:10 AM
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bfred
As a airstream class "A" MH owner I feel this amendment is going to pass because the IBT doesn't really care what you or I think.
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I understand what you are saying but I thought that the final decision on the MH issue will be determined by a delegate vote not an IBT vote.
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