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Old 02-10-2004, 01:04 PM   #15
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Does it have to be formalized?

I think Terry has the right idea in terms of not making the issue such a formalized one. I don't think the WBCCI would have to sanction or approve vintage sub-units; "sub-unit" is probably the wrong word. Couldn't the units that wanted it form a vintage committee or something less formalized? That committee could then be placed in charge of holding rallies and caravans - many of them buddy events to encourage new members - with an overriding vintage theme and tailored to the needs of working owners and families that would still be open to all members of the unit. To discourage or disallow owners of newer units at those events would achieve the exact opposite outcome of the one that is desired.

Surely the WBCCI has to recognize two things:
1. While its ranks shrink, the VAC's ranks and the interest in older Airstreams and Argosies grows.
2. They shouldn't find rules and by-laws to prevent innovation and growth but instead find ways to encourage innovation and growth within the existing framework.
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Old 02-10-2004, 01:23 PM   #16
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Interesting Thread!

Thenewkid64 wrote: (concerning VAC)

"This is how I remeber it:

The type of member is based on what you own. if the coach is "vintage" then you can be a full member with voting rights, and serve on the club board. Non vintage are considered associate members and can join, but cannot vote, or serve on the board. This is the same way in local units."

Question on the "local units".

I interprete this to mean that there are "local units" within the VAC (such as units within a region). Is this correct?

If so, does anyone have the geographical location of the units?

I could see how the VAC unit could be fairly widespread - could (do) you meet and plan electronically?

Great info and honest questions on this thread!
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Old 02-10-2004, 01:26 PM   #17
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The type of member is based on what you own. if the coach is "vintage" then you can be a full member with voting rights, and serve on the club board. Non vintage are considered associate members and can join, but cannot vote, or serve on the board. This is the same way in local units. Only full unit embers can do these things too. Associate members cannot. This is following the WBCCI club guidelines.
Dennis what I was trying to convey here is that the member/associate member rights are the same in the Vintage club as they are in any local unit. As far as I know there is not a regional, or local VAC chapter. Maybe there should be?
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Old 02-10-2004, 02:46 PM   #18
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I interprete this to mean that there are "local units" within the VAC (such as units within a region). Is this correct?

If so, does anyone have the geographical location of the units?
There really aren't local units per se, there are Regional Representatives though. They pretty much follow the WBCCI Regions and can be found at: VAC Contacts

Basically the VAC organization of Officers, etc. is a bit looser on the regional level...if a region wants to host a rally, they do with the involvement of the Regional Representative. From there, it just kinda gathers steam and "happens".

There was a "new" WBCCI Unit that was established a couple of years ago with the main focus being vintage, the Washington DC Unit.

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Old 02-10-2004, 02:56 PM   #19
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Thumbs up Love that Denver Unit!

Just from attending the last two RM VAC rallies, Ben and I feel like we've gotten to know much of the Denver Unit WBCCI, and we absolutely adore those we've met (including Shari and Rob!). The unit has a strong vintage component, and the activities seem to be suited for everyone - younger, older, working, retired, families, singles, couples, older trailers, and newer units.

A strong and diverse unit such as the Denver, D.C., and South Carolina units probably doesn't need a sub-unit or committee organized for and by vintage owners and younger, working owners. It might be a boon, though, for the units with declining membership, a low retention rate for new members, and a discernible population of non-member A/S owners in the area.
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Old 02-10-2004, 04:33 PM   #20
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To expand a bit on what Shari describes above for our Denver CO Unit Rallies, at some Unit rallies like the annual Spring Maintenance Rally we park all the vintage trailers together in one area to facilitate repairs and comparisons between our trailer's various systems and appliances. Having them close together for periodic maintenance is a benefit and makes it like a mini vintage rally within a Unit rally. At other Unit rallies that are more social we intermix vintage with newer trailers to promote friendship among all Unit members. It's no big deal as we're talking about only 20 or so trailers, but alternative parking schemes encourage slightly different social patterns appropriate to different purposes. At Yuma, CO. we will park all vintage trailers together in a wagon wheel apart from newer trailers. This will be our living history display of how Wally and his adventurous Caravanners did it in the old days.

Molly and others might simulate Vintage "sub-units" by piggy-backing vintage get-togethers on existing Unit events, incorporating flexible day-by-day pricing for working families and guests, and parking vintage trailers together at first. This would create mini Vintage Rallies within Unit activities consistent with present WBCCI policies and practices. Make some of these Unit events "Buddy Rallies" and invite owners of those vintage trailers seen throughout your local area. This is what we've done in Denver and it has worked out very well for everyone, both old and new Denver Unit members.

This is one example of how VACers can begin to shape a local Unit to meet their needs. VACers don't have to reinvent the wheel, just steer it a bit more in our direction. This can be done successfully in local WBCCI Units throughout the country. Some Units will resist more and therefore take more time and effort than others. But once Unit leadership and members see our infectious Airstream enthusiasm, they understand the benefits of having us around and begin asking how they can make Unit events more to our liking. Two years ago after all us VACers without working heaters froze our Wallies off at the April Maintenance Rally, our Unit leadership, in a gesture of mercy, moved that event to May, when night time temperatures were less likely to drop below freezing.

As Smillie and other WBCCI cheerleaders have been preaching to the willing and unconvinced alike, all you need is a core group of determined VACers to ignite the process and create their own version of fun inside local WBCCI Units. We can't expect all local Unit leaders to magically divine what we need or want from the Club. Help them; show them the way. Tell them of your wants and needs, then contribute some elbow grease to help make it happen.

Self-absorbed & self-centered people who demand market-fashioned Airstream experience packages need not apply; they disappointment will be exceeded only by their loud whining at having to actively contribute instead of passively consume. For others who script their life instead of serially purchasing prepackaged experiences, here is the magic two-step program for success: get involved and make it happen. Life is what you create while others buy tickets.
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...froze our Wallies off at the April Maintenance Rally
It was cold, even with a heater! LOL

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Old 02-10-2004, 06:01 PM   #22
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Is there a rule against WBCCI members, or individual members, from getting together outside rallies?
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Old 02-10-2004, 06:36 PM   #23
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Terry,

there is NO rule regarding that but there is a liability of exposure to Attorneys.

When you attend a WBCCI Sanctioned function there is a Huge (Million dollar) WBCCI Paid liability policy that holds all offers, rally hosts, and attendees harmless should someone trip over a hose and fall, breaking an arm, or worse. You hope it never happens but in todays society some people will immediately seek compensation through the courts. What happens if everyone gets food poisoning at the pot luck? Who is to blame? Who will pay for the hospital visits? These are some of the benefits of having a chartered unit of the club with a published rally schedule. When a forum rally is put together being that it is just a bunch of folks getting together and all paying their own way and doing their own thing it would be hard to constitute it as a rally in the WBCCI sense of the word. But some sly attorney may find a way to go after you.

Loosely arranged weekends are great as a Forum get together, but I would not be willing to assume the liability for planning an all out weekend WBCCI style rally without some protection. All It takes to get the "protection" is to have a rally agreed to by your unit as a buddy rally and have it published in the unit minuets and sent to headquarters. No pomp, no business meeting, just fun.
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Okay, I guess I will find out more next week. I was talking about three or four vintage owners getting together for a work party on a member's coach.
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Terry,

That is a great idea and was exactly what we did at the first Forum Rally at Mystic Springs. We all tinkered with each others coaches (except for PeterH's, his was done ) and had a blast. That is kind of what I was envisioning a get together in August as. Doing it at a state park campground eliminates the restriction of not working on RV's that some parks have
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:31 PM   #26
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fresh blood on a old topic

new to the whole TT world, I'm now trying to figure out this club operates.
Yes the Vintage 2005 caravan listed below looks like fun, but 15 days is a bit long for the working class.
The membership requirements are a bit confusing, since I filled out the national WB club and got no reply for the section #2 people.
I cannot get involved with the vintage group until the section #2 people send me an application.
Either way, my '57 pulled by my '58 cadillac is heading for the long island beachs, not some parking lot in mid-missouri.
We have just completed scouting a Wagon Wheel Vintage caravan into Springfield, Missouri for next June. Here is a sampling of the 15 night, 16 day caravan that will end at the pre-rally site the day before our Vintage parade into the Springfield International Rally.
We will meet with our Vintage rigs in St. Louis on Saturday, June 11th. Some of the St. Louis highlights will be a tour of the city and a tour of the St. Louis Transportation Museum with our own Molly Butterworth, Curator of Collections. We will visit a charming historic German town surrounded by wineries. As we travel Old Route 66 into Southern Missouri, we will have many Route 66 memorabilia adventures. We will visit several quaint historic towns. There will be a tube float trip in the Ozark National Scenic Waterways. Our Branson stop will be for 3 nights, and we will attend 3 shows. Our final stop will be near the Kansas border, and we will again travel Old Route 66 into Springfield. The caravan will end on Sunday, June 26th at the pre-rally site.
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interesting to read the vintage club issues.....so positively presented.


could the vac exist as a solo organization?

how much is the template, guidance, financing.... and so on that the wb has provided,

how much of a value has that connection been?

the vintage subgroup is what ....less than 14 years old?

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interesting to read the vintage club issues.....so positively presented. Could the vac exist as a solo organization? How much is the template, guidance, financing.... and so on that the wb has provided. How much of a value has that connection been? The vintage subgroup is what ....less than 14 years old? cheers, 2air'
Hi 2air:

I'm in a yacky mood today, and house cleaning sucks, so I'll take a shot at answering your questions, backwards of course. The VAC Intraclub was conceived in July 1992 and chartered in July 1993, so we have been around conceptually for 14 years, 13 in actuality.

In my opinion, the WBCCI has been a very valuable connection for the VAC. Our "Mom" has given us a template and structure to operate in, many contacts, many events where we gather to meet each other and show off our wares, and many rules to disregard. We get little formal guidance from National but usually a helpful hand, including insurance coverage for our VAC Rallies, a necessity in today's world. We have our own VAC Regional Reps. The best guidance I've personally experienced is learning the nuts and bolts of trailering at local Unit events from the old timers who've been towing for years. Issues that perplex me are often solved in a simple declatory sentence or a quick demonstration. We have a pretty free hand to run our VAC events was we see fit, with no script from National surpressing our ideas. Local scolds and busybodies whose tighties get in a wad at our events are gently encouraged not to sign up for our event the following year, to everyone's relief.

Yes, the VAC could be run as a separate orgnaization, but it would require a lot more work from VAC officers, who are all volunterers and busy enough as is. Could it continue to exist independently? I don't know, as that would take much more time and effort to get up and going than we now spend under the wings of the WBCCI. An independent VAC might sputter and die, while those who make that suggestion remain on their fence. We'd have to construct a whole parallel organization to gain similar benefits to those now available through the WBCCI. Who volunteers to put the bell on that cat? Any fence sitters want to step forward for that task?

In my opinion, its so much easier for the VAC to inobstrusively fit within and benefit from the existing WBCCI structure. At certain local Units, many VACers have stepped forward to become Unit officers. Is it surprising those Units tend to have events that appeal to VACers? ... and which are enjoyed by most regular Unit members, too. We work at making that happen, we just don't buy tickets.

Since many of us still earn a living from day jobs, our VAC Rallies tend to be loose and informal, anti-structure as it were, minimizing weekaday busy schedules for unfettered relaxation and fun. Pomp is booted and circumstances are dealt with creatively. We like to think of our VAC selves as closer in spirit to Wally B than is the more structured WBCCI, which wants to jettison his name and memory [different thread].

I'll repeat this yet again, since the message did not penetrate my thick skull when I was new to the Airstream hobby a few year ago. The major benefit of the WBCCI is the people you meet through it. It's not the Blue Beret, it is not the annual International Rally, it is not the pomp and circumstances or the national politics. It is the local people near you who share your interest in Airstreaming; the WBCCI puts you in touch with such folks both old and new to this hobby. So fence sitters, get off your picket and away from your computer keyboard and go out and meet these folks. That fence picket is making a sharp impression in your derriere ... and if you stay there much longer you'll get stuck. That said, the WBCCI and VAC is not for everybody. And we can count on those few disappointed individuals to constantly engage in cyber bitching to broadcast their discontent. Such is life.
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