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Old 10-11-2007, 02:01 PM   #267
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WDCU Installation Rally

Hey RJ,

Thank you so much for being the unofficial photographer at the WDCU Installation rally. The pictures are great and they do capture the fun that we had from playing "dress-up", to eating the crabs, to the the microphone that Paul used to give his speach.

The WDCU certainly knows how to have fun. We are so glad that we are members of such a great unit and have developed wonderful friendships.

We can't wait for next weekend's Hot-Air Balloon and Wine Festival rally!

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Old 10-13-2007, 06:50 AM   #268
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Jerry Larson's Post on the offical website

Jerry finally posted yesterday on the Lower activity "Offical" website but does not seemed to have posted it here yet so, I am moving it over here where it can get wider distribution.

"Your Unit, Region and International Officers make several decisions during their terms of office. Some are complex and difficult, some are easy.


The matter of what is worn by the International Officers and Region Presidents during the Installation Ceremony on the evening of July 3 has been a tradition since before I joined this Club over 30 years ago. It has not significantly changed, that I am aware of, except for last year (for ONE YEAR ONLY) when a decision was made to relax part of the dress at this ceremony. Based upon receiving an overwhelming number of comments and requests that we return to the time honored traditional dress for this occasion, I made the easy decision to do just that. Also, as a courtesy to those few individuals that may be affected, I decided to provide an early heads up of my decision to keep the traditional uniform for the upcoming installation on July 3, 2008. It is regretful that a minority few have decided that to keep tradition is not in their personal best interest and we should discard a tradition this Club has been doing since it began.


If someone must find fault in how I conduct Club business, you might consider being critical of me for listening to our Members and then letting the majority influence me.


I continue to support and encourage discussion, debate and the expression of different opinions. It is through this process that we help each other become better together. Becoming better by helping and supporting our leaders and helping build this Club to confront the challenges of the future should be our objectives, not some personal agenda to discredit our leaders and our Club. When we are willing to work together (especially with our differences) we can accomplish great things for the WBCCI. Are you willing?

I am.

Jerry Larson #144, your Int'l 1st VP"

I believe Jerry's heart is in the right place but he is listening to the wrong people. These people are likely the same ones that brought us the "SOB motohome" and the "Airstream Owners Association" proposals in the last two years. In the end, votes of the general membership proved these people are in the minority. They are also the people who have led the club down a twenty year path of declining membership.

PeeWee's archive pictures do show that years ago the leadership did wear white dinner jackets to the installations. Early "70's Airstream ads also show ladies in nylons and heels serving gourmet meals in their Airstreams. I admit. I wore a tux to my wedding 38 years ago and to my daughter's wedding 14 years ago as well as wearing three piece suits to company meetings 20 years ago. I think that kind of dress code has its place and I will likely be buried in a suit. I do not think "POMP" fits that well with "Fun, Fellowship and Adventure" in a camping club.

I think the recent votes and membership trends show that a more casual atmosphere is more in line with what the general membership wants. The more progressive subgroups within WBCCI including: the Vintage Airstream Club, New England Unit, Four Corners Unit, and Save Wally, better represent the majority of the members' desires for the future of the club. I hope Jerry, (when he helps select people for the new "Long Term Strategy Committee",) will be listening to the right people and the committee is given the power to implement improvements to how the club is run.
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Old 10-13-2007, 07:48 AM   #269
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My wife and I had this conversation last night about who is feeding Jerry his info. I think that he is right (can you believe that just came from my keyboard!), the majority of the people that he talks to are traditional WBCCI members. This kind of dress is from that era. If you go to the Installation Ball and take a look, it is attended mostly by the older more traditional member, they like to dress up and they want the Ball to continue on as is. I donít see many of us younger members there so he will not get the feedback that will influence how he sees the dress code ( or other changes we see that are needed). Itís very simple, those that are going to events like this and speaking to him about those activities are the traditionalists, we who want to see a change have bailed and he will not be influenced because we arenít there. I guess we have to participate more to influence more and to get more. We need to increase our face time with our leadership to increase the amount of input he gets so change will occur. Heck Iíll be in that reception line in Bozeman, Iíll dress in my business casual and Iíll bend his ear for the 2 or 3 seconds of his time Iíll get, maybe just maybe heíll remember me!
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Old 10-14-2007, 01:40 PM   #270
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I didn't mean to stir up any more controversy. The people like me that disagree with various things the club has done are simply trying to improve the club; the humor and comments here aren't meant to be nasty but to try and improve (at least, no one I know is trying to be nasty). We're all on the same team here.

Thanks for the comments, Sonia - I know plenty of others are taking pictures, too, but I haven't seen any yet from other rallies.

dwightdi, pardon my ignorance, but were tuxes required before?

Also, this is one of those situations where people (on both sides of the issue) have to remember that only 2% of the listeners to a radio show ever call in, if you see what I mean...
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Old 10-14-2007, 01:58 PM   #271
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My wife and I had this conversation last night about who is feeding Jerry his info. I think that he is right (can you believe that just came from my keyboard!), the majority of the people that he talks to are traditional WBCCI members. This kind of dress is from that era. If you go to the Installation Ball and take a look, it is attended mostly by the older more traditional member, they like to dress up and they want the Ball to continue on as is. I donít see many of us younger members there so he will not get the feedback that will influence how he sees the dress code ( or other changes we see that are needed). Itís very simple, those that are going to events like this and speaking to him about those activities are the traditionalists, we who want to see a change have bailed and he will not be influenced because we arenít there. I guess we have to participate more to influence more and to get more. We need to increase our face time with our leadership to increase the amount of input he gets so change will occur. Heck Iíll be in that reception line in Bozeman, Iíll dress in my business casual and Iíll bend his ear for the 2 or 3 seconds of his time Iíll get, maybe just maybe heíll remember me!
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THIS IS SO RIGHT .Some times you just have to stop , join up and for change where you will be heard. Nice to see this. Go get them
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:52 PM   #272
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munimula,
As you know, I own a motorhome which will bring a frown from almost any trailer owner in the WBCCI. I don't know why. I thought we were all about camping and having fun. My wife and I get a lot better reception from the folks at FMCA and half the price and also a lot of benefits. I'm usually a fighter, but I don't think the WBCCI is going to change with or without me.
I was a military man and I also served on our local school board for 14 years. The IBT reminds me a little of The Joint Chief of Staffs or the school teacher who knows a lot more then the parents at conference night.(sound familiar)
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:31 PM   #273
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As you know, I own a motorhome which will bring a frown from almost any trailer owner in the WBCCI. I don't know why.
I agree with 65 GT. The only thing that matters is that your motor home is from Airstream, Inc. and made by the Airstream production line, or at least fitted by them (I realize they buy their chassis and drive trains from reputable commercial vendors). What matters to me is that YOU are an Airstreamer!

I know in the beginning WBCCI didn't allow Argosy trailers or motorhomes with either badge or even B-vans; it took long enough to get that changed and the change was for the better, IMHO. I know that there was controversy over the Base Camp and that was quickly resolved (relatively speaking!). I bought our Airstream just before the vote on the name change. I waited 'till after the vote to join because I didn't want to be a part of it and really wanted to wait to see how it turned out. Then, the motor home issue came up. I really wish Airstream motor home owners wouldn't think that this issue was about Airstream motor homes or their owners. It wasn't for me and I don't think it was for most WBCCI members. I haven't been to a WBCCI rally so I don't know how motor home owners are treated at them but I hope they aren't treated as second class citizens, but I'm beginning to suspect that they might be. If so, I'm glad I haven't been to a WBCCI rally yet.

I can understand that other RV clubs may offer better benefits to its members. I haven't seen much from WBCCI yet other than camaraderie of being in a club of unique, single branded RV's, monthly magazines, and a sense of history and identity. But I think the club is worth the $70/year and will continue to belong until I see whether it will join the 21st century or stay in the 1970's. If there is no progress, then I guess I will drop out, too. I hope it doesn't come to that.
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Thanks for the kudos. No matter what, I will still be around on the forums here expressing my opinions right or wrong.
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I really wish Airstream motor home owners wouldn't think that this issue was about Airstream motor homes or their owners.
There were quite a few comments during the whole debate about the issue that made me, as a motorhome owner, feel pretty second-rate. Certain members weren't afraid to belittle people who owned motorhomes for various reasons (my favorite: "Old fogies that can't pull a trailer any more" - excuse me, I'm 32, younger than most of the membership, and I own a motorhome because I take my car to car-specific-events - the cars I own and go to these events for can't tow a trailer, so I go the other way around).

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It wasn't for me and I don't think it was for most WBCCI members. I haven't been to a WBCCI rally so I don't know how motor home owners are treated at them but I hope they aren't treated as second class citizens, but I'm beginning to suspect that they might be. If so, I'm glad I haven't been to a WBCCI rally yet.
Fortunately, that hasn't been my experience. At the rallies I've been to so far (all WDCU), I've felt quite welcomed. Though I admit I had some trepidation before the first one after reading some of the comments in this very forum.
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:39 AM   #276
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There were quite a few comments during the whole debate about the issue that made me, as a motorhome owner, feel pretty second-rate. Certain members weren't afraid to belittle people who owned motorhomes for various reasons ...

Fortunately, that hasn't been my experience. At the rallies I've been to so far (all WDCU), I've felt quite welcomed. Though I admit I had some trepidation before the first one after reading some of the comments in this very forum.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I would have been very embarrassed to have witness that kind of treatment. I am glad, though, that you haven't been shunned at the local rallies. It seems local folks are much more tolerant of most every issue than the International rally folks are. I wonder if they feel that way and hide their feelings locally and then show how they really feel when they congregate en masse at the International?
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I wonder if they feel that way and hide their feelings locally and then show how they really feel when they congregate en masse at the International?
Trust me on this one, the members of the WDCU are the same no matter were we go and that could be the very reason we have the reputation we do in the club . At the WDCU rallies, I would like think we include any and all, no matter what you drive or pull, as long as it's an Airstream. Plus, our members look great in "white tux" to boot!!
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:22 PM   #278
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I thought the same...camping clothes? church clothes? same thing - at least at my church.

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LOL That is a perfect cartoon!

I think what many here have expressed or felt is a frustration occuring with so much feed-back from members wanting a more casual and updated look and club. This decision to keep to a 30 plus year tradition of formal dress is one area where change and response could easily have been implimented and it was not, possibly being interpretted as a blantant disregard for members' priorities. You know a good political candidate would be prompt to be PC and show evidence of prevailing attitudes.

No one begrudges the IBT their function or manner of dress but to some this seemingly small issue is representative and emphasizes the casm between IBT and the members and whose desires should prevail. In good will a sensitive IBT would go out of their way to satiate the majority of members rather than continue with their own agendas whether in whatever is small as in dress or in whatever is large such as the name change and brand identity of the club.
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